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Old 02/25/2018, 10:26 PM   #1
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My Project ★ GENESIS ★ 110G (Miracle) SPS Dream Tank - (II) Build Thread

Welcome to the Build Thread. (THE SUMP ROOM)


This is Part (II) which continues from a previous Thread where I Extracted my old 65 Gallon Tank preparing my BASEMENT Office and Sump Room for a Replacement 110 Tank.[/B]

The pre-build thread with all the details is here.

My Project ★ GENESIS ★ 110G (Miracle) SPS Dream Tank - (I) Pre-Build Thread

At this point I have installed the bare tank into my Office Wall, and the Sump Room was Stripped down for the new tank.

The Tank is NOW in the Wall as shown below (ON THE OFFICE SIDE)



Above was complete a day ago. (Tank is just full of TAP Water so it stabilizes on the New STAND)

This the setup before with the 65 GAL (3 months ago when build started)



This is the New 100G Tank before Installation




IN THIS THEAD I will Tackle the Sump Room (Which is located behind the Tank)



Before I ripped out the 65 Gallon Tank the Sump Room looked like this.



The Sump Room is home to the Tank, Associated SUmp and a Sump for a 2nd 95 Gallon Tank Directly on Floor above.

I plan to make it better this time.

HERE IS MY TO DO LIST for this Next Phase of the Build:


-> Better Wiring Setup (For APEX, Power, and Control Lines)
-> Dosing and Water Changer (DIY Controller with Better Setup)
-> New Replacement Lighting ( T5/LED replacing MH/T5/LED)
-> Better Sump Access (Using Old DIY Sump, with Build in Algae Scrubber)
-> Better Plumbing (Hidden and build into Wall for BOTH SUMPS)
-> Better Wall Backing Mirage Setup (Blue Coloring to Have Tank Viewing seem like no room or equipment is behind tank)
-> A better Floor and Tank Access (Possibly a ledge/Step around tank)
-> Other things I come up with.....

Once these goals are Achieved, the Last Phase of the Build with be TO MOVE THE OLD TANK (Rock and Fish) into the New Tank, which I haven't exactly Figure out how.


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Old 02/25/2018, 11:29 PM   #2
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It would be a dream if I could have a sump room, keep all of the mess out of view and goodness in view.

Looks like you have a great start to a awesome build. Following along.


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Old 02/26/2018, 06:54 AM   #3
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Good stuff Wally! Will be following along for the journey


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Old 02/26/2018, 10:05 AM   #4
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Aaaaaaahhh.. feels like home around here.


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Old 02/26/2018, 10:58 AM   #5
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Wow that looks awesome, I have my tank in my office as well, but this is amazing! I love that you can view it right at the desk level. Would make some of my long meetings much better . Following along!


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Old 02/26/2018, 10:46 PM   #6
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Whooops. I forgot to subscribe to my own thread, thus no email notifications...... so was thinking nobody posted anything yet.

I usually reply quick.

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It would be a dream if I could have a sump room, keep all of the mess out of view and goodness in view.

Looks like you have a great start to a awesome build. Following along.
I learned that years ago, since my Kitchen Tank had all stuff running under the cabinet. Was great to move things down to basement Sump Room, Directly below.

Glad you will tag along. I get inspiration from the folks ideas. So feel free to say anything, suggest anything, any time.

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Good stuff Wally! Will be following along for the journey
Wecome back. Hey I was checking out your thread, and started at the beginning by mistake. Your Tank setup is also in-wall. I may have some questions for you.

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Aaaaaaahhh.. feels like home around here.
Welcome back.... to the Other Side of the TANK. I knew you were going to join the Dark Side. Couldn't Resist the FORCE?
I am going to need you soon Matt, and your SPS GURU Level expertise. Really scared about when it come to moving things back into new tank.

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Wow that looks awesome, I have my tank in my office as well, but this is amazing! I love that you can view it right at the desk level. Would make some of my long meetings much better . Following along!
Welcome. I'd love to hear about your in-wall tank and thoughts, as I get going.
I learned a lot from last time with the small 65 Gallon.
In Wall Receeded had many drawbacks. Cleaning glass, and others things.
Took away space from Sump room (which is good size but tight).
I also raised the Tank this time about 1.5 inches. Great for Office side viewing, but I can already tell Reaching into tank is not ideal.


So I haven't started anything yet.
In a bit of Day Dream Planning mode.
As per previous pre-build thread Sump Room is Very READY.
THINGS WILL GO QUICK once I start.

Right now I am looking at Overflow. And those HUGE bulkheads that came with the TANK.
I don't have hose that fits.
I'll post my problem shortly (with Photos) and maybe you folks can Help.
Rakie's Bulkhead look similar but How to hook up a HOSE?


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Old 02/27/2018, 07:55 AM   #7
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I will answer and help with anything I can. My current set up is my 3rd in wall set up.


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Old 02/27/2018, 08:21 AM   #8
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Looks awesome!


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Old 02/27/2018, 11:12 PM   #9
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Been busy with Family/School Events, otherwise I would have moved forward by now.
Hoping to start something in next day or so.
Still daydreaming about what I should start first.

I have one idea (pre-test The Tank)....Hook up one of my OLD RETURN pumps and test tank flow into a bin....To ensure there are no problems with NEW tank, before I permanently seal it into wall and floor with Equipment.

Running water thru overflow will also give me my TOP WATER LINE (so I can finish the Framing of tank on Office Side)

Btw. PRE-Filling Tank with Tap water was a good thing. It was fairly level with the Shimmys I used. But it settled after a few days of Near Full Weight, and IT'S DEAD ON LEVEL (All directions)


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Old 02/28/2018, 02:32 AM   #10
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setup looks awesome. Makes me wish that I hadn't listened to the builders recommendation to remove the walls and have a sump room behind the tank. Keen to see more of the setup.


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Old 02/28/2018, 12:20 PM   #11
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I think the smaller tank looks better with the new floor, put it back real quick for a comparison shot


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Old 02/28/2018, 01:58 PM   #12
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setup looks awesome. Makes me wish that I hadn't listened to the builders recommendation to remove the walls and have a sump room behind the tank. Keen to see more of the setup.
What did you builder get you to do that changed your plans?

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Sure. When are you dropping by to help?

Hey I got lucky with a similar Overflow (Flex Hose) setup like you have.

Was going to head to home depot to get some Hard PVC to start at Bulkhead, but tried a bunch of junk/Pipe Hose I already have.

The Hose I'm using on 65G fits Really Snug into Bulkhead. Have some spare....



Will be ok for a Initial setup/testing (Can improve later to do the Quiet Overflow design you have)

AND Stay Tuned......I GOT SOMETHING REALLY COOL coming. (SonoranReefer will love this for his long Desk Meetings)



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Old 02/28/2018, 03:26 PM   #13
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OVERFLOW TEST (Running Comparison) Water Line

THIS IS NOT THE SUPER COOL THING (Coming Soon)...

But this is kind of Cool for me...

Hose worked perfectly. No LEAK Snug.



ABOVE SUMP ROOM PHOTO gives you an idea how the IN-WALL (Hidden Plumbing) will be setup.

ONLY RUNNING on ONE BULKHEAD (Other Has Hose above Water Line)



Really surprised that it's already silent. (All I hear is water splashing into Garbage CAN)

And the Return PUmp is my OLD Danner Supreme MAG 18 (which at 4 feet is approx. 1200 Gal/Hour)

WATER LINE (Before Running) during Tank Fill up




WATER LINE approx. 1/2" (Running)



The Cool Part (which I never had before) is Overflow[Baffle] Is ADJUSTABLE for Height (so I could raise water Line to 1/4", or Lower to 1.5")


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Will you have any new goodies for the sump?

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Old 02/28/2018, 09:28 PM   #15
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Will you have any new goodies for the sump?
Yes, or Maybe.

I dont' plan on changing the DIY Sump I built couple of year ago.
It's perfect.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2570553

But I am thinking of changing the Skimmer.
I currently am using OLD EuroReefs for both tanks and they have been great.

I got a RLSS DB8i Skimmer for a great price, but never really used it.
It never worked well under light load. Sitting on shelf collecting dust.
However I tested it in a small Tank Setup with a Large Crazy Eatting/Pooing fish, and the Skimmer Really kicked in.
So with the Larger Tank and more fish, the Db8I might work.


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SUPER COOL *REMOTE CONTROL SUBS* (Fresh Water TANK TEST)

So this just came from Amazon. Only keeping one but wanted to see both colors.



Can't wait to show the kids!! (Maybe they will now show interest in my Tank )

These 6" Mini Remote control Sub supposedly go Dive and Rise, Right/Left and Forward.

In a salt water tank they would probably corrode, and I wouldn't take a chance on Copper Contamination with Corals.

But Tank has fresh water for a while.....

This will be fun, and I'll shoot a video.


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Old 03/01/2018, 06:58 AM   #17
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LOL looks fun


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I will answer and help with anything I can. My current set up is my 3rd in wall set up.
I have a question about your in-Wall TANK setups.
How has the Drywall done over the year Above you tank (on the Tank side where there would be water spray)?
Did you paint the drywall with any kind of High Gloss water resistant Paint?
I was thinking some kind of Oil Based paint, but the stuff if Toxic and maybe just a good High Gloss Bathroom/Kitchen paint will be good enough.
Or (no-paint) a plastic sheet/Vapour Barrier like I did around Tank Stand where Sump is (And already the plastic has salt Creep all over it)


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So far my drywall is doing just fine and that is with the tank all the way against the front piece of drywall (the stand is part of the wall so the tank sits flush against the drywall). I painted all of it with a oil base killz paint and then finished it with a high gloss.

Also I am sure you are aware but make sure that the top of the wall, weather its drywall or trim, covers the top of the water line so you dont have the glare of the lights shining through.


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REMOTE Controlled Mini SUBMARINE (Tap Water Tank Test) ** NEED PRACTICE but FUN ** [YOU TUBE VIDEO ]

Yup, I need a lot of practice but the Remote Control Sub is pretty cool.




HERE IS THE YOU TUBE Video Link


https://youtu.be/gtap_MqoyHc

The sub is a bit too big for my 110G. 1/10 the size would be better.

Can't imagine doing this in Matt's Loaded Sprawling (delicate) SPS TANK.
Of course that would be a great way of getting some Frags from him


ENOUGH Distractions for ME (kids can play with it)......Time FOR ME to get working on the SUMP ROOM.



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That looks like a lot of fun. I didn't know you could buy little subs like that.


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Imagine a tiny sub with a camera on it. How cool would that be going in and around the rocks and corals.
Don’t worry Wally, we can break some corals accidentally on purpose. Or completely on purpose.


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Imagine a tiny sub with a camera on it. How cool would that be going in and around the rocks and corals.
Yes, I looked at camera version Subs.
Bit expensive.
https://www.amazon.ca/Sub-Mariner-Eq...trol+submarine
And too big.
Someday they will get smaller.
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That looks like a lot of fun. I didn't know you could buy little subs like that.
It is fun, to master the control.
But needs some obstacles for more fun.
They even have these tiny ones from Air Hogs.
Someone put one into their Reef Tank and Tang Beat it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twlsy_wH2LY
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Donít worry Wally, we can break some corals accidentally on purpose. Or completely on purpose.
Really!!! We did talk about you keeping Shipping baggies.
First this Tank need to get started up. Then Stable, and trust worthy.


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Old 03/02/2018, 12:46 PM   #24
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DRASTIC Change of PLAN (Starting New Tank) Access and Spacing

I've come to realization the I must START UP the NEW TANK. (Or Another Way of putting it....Shut down OLD TANK)

Here is the problem.....



The OLD TANK and SUMP is in the way of my Wall just outside Sump Room.

This is where I plan to do some of the Electrical/Control Setup and other things. (plus my doser, and other key pieces of build are behind old tank)

I also need to work in the Sump Room with Sump in Place (for Controller and cord distances)

SO I HAVE PREPARED THE SUMP Room (Just enough).....

When I work later, I can cover up the Tank (to prevent any dust, debris)



What I've done in preparation for the (NEW) TANK SETUP.
-> Painted key areas (With WaterProof Sealer)
-> Fixed up an OLD Sump Stand (Which I removed a long while ago (but kept for a table), since I had to lower sump to get better Gravity Flow on OLD SETUP)
------> New Setup will allow a HIGHER SUMP placement (wonderful for access and Maintenance)
------> Higher Sump mean less Return Pump Height so more GAL/HR Flow on existing RLSS Return Pump.
------> Also Raised sump will give me STORAGE access underneath.

Small improvement from last time (Foam Feet Underpads) For Quieter Running SUmp.



YES THIS MEANS I'm going to start making water to fill the NEW TANK.

Then move sump over, and......Not sure....

But I think I'll just transfer Rocks and fish into New Tank (With a 2nd pass on New Tank Setup....The Permanent Setup)


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New Tank (Only the Best Water) RO/DI Media Refresh

I've been saving the New Media for NEW Tank Fill Up Time.



Salt will be Tropic Maurin PRO.


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