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Old 03/02/2018, 03:54 PM   #1
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Question Bubbles in BRS dosing effluent lines

Hello Reefers! I am setting up right now to start dosing Aquaforest 1,2,3 and I was noticing while priming the lines that I am getting bubbles in them (all 3 effluent lines). I am using the BRS bulkheads that attach to the container lids and basic clear 1/4' tubing in the bottle. Is there something that I am missing? Not sure why/how air is getting in the lines. Any ideas? Do I have some bad dosers? Thanks in advance and Reef On!

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Old 03/02/2018, 06:17 PM   #2
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'I am using the BRS bulkheads that attach to the container lids and basic clear 1/4' tubing in the bottle.'

This is what I would recommend-
Make sure the tubing is properly hooked up to the dosing pumps

Use glasses of water as your reservoirs, make sure the 'in line' is fully submerged in the solution inside the glass of water.

Run the dosing pumps for a few minutes and see if the bubbles go away.



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Old 03/02/2018, 06:52 PM   #3
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'I am using the BRS bulkheads that attach to the container lids and basic clear 1/4' tubing in the bottle.'
BRS bulkheads are white fittings that attach to the lid. Both sides of the fitting are "push" fittings for 1/4' soft tubing. I have one going in from the doser (influent line) and the other attached to the bottom of the fitting that is going into the container itself.

I will try reconnecting the lines and running the pump again. Maybe that's it. I would think that it would be air-tight though...


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Old 03/03/2018, 02:27 PM   #4
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I think that the air bubbles would go away over time unless the air is entering at the open end of the tubing. I'm assuming that the tubing drips the solution into the tank. Either way, the pumps should be fine.


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Old 03/03/2018, 06:25 PM   #5
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Thanks. I was just a little concerned about dosing the right ml’s due to the bubbles in the line. Have a reefkeeper and run it a certain time based on dosage. I guess I just will have to adjust as I see fit to get the correct ml’s per day. I might just take the bulkheads out of the lid and run the tubing straight into the container to prevent any bubbles.


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Old 03/03/2018, 07:45 PM   #6
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If the bubbles are entering from the supplement container itself, they might be an issue. I don't what your setup is like, but that'd be unusual for most equipment.


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Old 03/05/2018, 10:38 AM   #7
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Thanks Jonathan. Anyone else have this issue? Maybe the dosers have to run for a while before the bubbles disappear? Is there a certain way that you need to "prime" them? Thanks again RC. You guys/gals are great.


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Old 03/05/2018, 06:59 PM   #8
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I haven't heard of this sort of problem, but I'm not sure how much that actually means. I think the pump would flush the lines during the first dose, dependingo on the length of the line and the size of the dose. Have you watched what happens when the pump runs?


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Old 03/06/2018, 07:44 AM   #9
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'I am using the BRS bulkheads that attach to the container lids and basic clear 1/4' tubing in the bottle.'
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Tip: By drilling a hole in the removable top on the jugs and purchasing a few 1/4" tank adapter bulkheads and 1/4" clear acrylic tubing will let you connect standard dosing pump tubing directly to the jugs.



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Old 03/06/2018, 07:52 AM   #10
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Thanks Jonathan. Anyone else have this issue? Maybe the dosers have to run for a while before the bubbles disappear? Is there a certain way that you need to "prime" them? Thanks again RC. You guys/gals are great.

I'm not using BRS dosers but when my I had my reservoirs about 42" below the dosing pumps I had issues with bubbles getting in the line between dosing container and pump.

Now that they are at same level only issue I have is bubbles getting in the output side... its been frustrating..


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Old 03/06/2018, 10:32 AM   #11
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Exactly Steve. Using regular RO lines instead of the rigid line above though. I think that I am going to try running the stuff tubing that I got with the dosers on the inlet side and see if that makes a difference. Containers are only about 12 inches below the dosers, so that shouldn’t be the issue. We shall see..


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Just something you might want to keep in mind, I read somewhere where a guy put his reservoirs above his DOS pumps and it created a siphon and dosed like 1 gallon full of Alk or something.


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Just something you might want to keep in mind, I read somewhere where a guy put his reservoirs above his DOS pumps and it created a siphon and dosed like 1 gallon full of Alk or something.
Wow! Thanks for the tip. Yeah, containers are below the dosers right now and will stay that way. Just find it odd that people use those bulkheads and they allow air in the lines. That is the only location that I can think of where air is introduced. Dosing containers are full


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Installing 1 now. I will run the input through the top of the container with a fit snug to hold the hose but not air tight using the stiff hose.
Output also stiff hose to the sump.
No connections just straight tubing all the way.


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Old 03/06/2018, 11:20 AM   #15
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Yeah, looks like I am going to have to run straight tubing. Too bad I already drilled holes for the bulkheads. Does anyone know if Aquaforest Component 1,2,3 has to be sealed when dosing? Going with the stiff tubing all the way, I think.


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Bubbles in BRS dosing effluent lines

This is mine... hadnít considered siphoning but i guess that could happen if the rollers werenít tight.

Its kind of ugly but gets the job done. Originally i was using 1 gal containers hence the long length of rigid tubing...






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Hi,

Had similar issues with a Jeboa doser. Swapped the airlines for medical grade silicone tubing and problem was resolved. Just ensure the rigid pipes are fitted all the way into the pushfit bulkhead. On the rigid to silicone join my dosing container has small irrigation nipples fitted onto the ro pipes and normal airline sucked in air at this point. Once i swapped to silicone the join is more snug.


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Old 03/06/2018, 03:25 PM   #18
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Thanks Mohammed! Where did you pick up the silicone tubing? Reef shop online?


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Thanks Mohammed! Where did you pick up the silicone tubing? Reef shop online?
https://************.com/2018/02/16/...irline-tubing/

I got mine from a medical supply place in my country. But i see cobalt aqautics are doing coloured ones. Hope the link works. Reef Builders did a piece on it hope a quick Google search should yield results if link doesn't work.


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Hopefully you got this figured out but if not, how old are your dosers?

I had the same problem with BRS dosers losing their prime after a few years. After driving myself crazy checking all the connection points, it turned out the internal tubing was old and losing the seal. It looses its elasticity over time and needs to be replaced every so often (I think they recommend annually).


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Still have bubbles but they aren’t exiting the effluent lines. I am thinking about switching my tubing to the rigid type to see if it helps. Thanks for the follow up!


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