Reef Central Online Community
Tunze USA

Home Forum Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences View New Posts View Today's Posts

Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Reefkeeping ...an online magazine for marine aquarists Support our sponsors and mention Reef Central

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community > General Interest Forums > New to the Hobby
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

Notices

User Tag List

Reply
Thread Tools
Old 03/05/2018, 07:38 PM   #1
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
New to the hobby.

So Iím new to the hobby. Iíve been on other forums. And asked questions but now that I have my first tank set up itís time to get into deep discussions about the subject.

Because of space constraints we are using a 10 gallon tank with a Fluval 206 canister filter. Well more then enough for the system filtration. Have two rocks that are seeded already with live sand. As well as two rocks that have the coralline already on them. From my understanding the coralline will take a few months to actually start seeding the rest of the rock. Which is expected.

As this is totally different from fresh water tanks Iím curious. So From experience of others what am I to look forward to in my first couple of months? Iíve put two crab into the mix. And started the processes of the ammonia and such already.


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/05/2018, 08:19 PM   #2
SereneAquatic
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Middle TN
Posts: 162
Quote:
Originally Posted by PitViper View Post
So Iím new to the hobby. Iíve been on other forums. And asked questions but now that I have my first tank set up itís time to get into deep discussions about the subject.

Because of space constraints we are using a 10 gallon tank with a Fluval 206 canister filter. Well more then enough for the system filtration. Have two rocks that are seeded already with live sand. As well as two rocks that have the coralline already on them. From my understanding the coralline will take a few months to actually start seeding the rest of the rock. Which is expected.

As this is totally different from fresh water tanks Iím curious. So From experience of others what am I to look forward to in my first couple of months? Iíve put two crab into the mix. And started the processes of the ammonia and such already.
Have you read the stickies on the forum for new tanks? Lots of info there.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk


__________________
Build Thread: "A new reefer... a new tank. What could go wrong?"

Current Tank Info: Red Sea Reefer 425 XL Deluxe and Nano Max
SereneAquatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/05/2018, 08:57 PM   #3
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
Stickies

I was wondering what those were. And what kind of info. But now that you mention it I am going to be taking a look at them. Thank you.


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/05/2018, 09:46 PM   #4
Kentech5
Registered Member
 
Kentech5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Hudson Falls, NY
Posts: 370
For the first month I would just ride out the cycle and see what life shows up from the two rocks with coralline on them. Youíll usually go through a few algae blooms and those crabs may not survive the cycling process.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Kentech5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/06/2018, 04:22 PM   #5
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
Crabs

Yea I realize that about the crabs. Might be a loss. But we shall see. I did my first test last night and the process has started. Ammonia started to rise so now itís just the waiting game. Do you have corals?


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/06/2018, 04:39 PM   #6
~RuSh~
Registered Member
 
~RuSh~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 769
First couple of months are just a waiting game. You wait for the cycle to complete, you wait for the first few algae blooms to pass, you wait for new fish to quarantine...

Lol. But in all actuality, its fun because everything is new. I remember the first time I saw an aiptasia anemone, and I was like sweet! Lol. Ah noobs. We all start there.

If you have a moon light led its fun to turn that on around 8-9 after dark and see what little creatures come out after the main lights are off. My wife and I would do that almost every night for the first few months just looking for something new to pop up.


__________________
Open your eyes and see that Life is Beautiful....
~RuSh~ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/06/2018, 07:03 PM   #7
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
That’s what is what I’m most excited about. Think next paycheck I’m going to get a 6400k LED light. Mane help this along just a tiny bit. But def want something with the moonlight anyway that way we can do as such as well. I’m going to be getting the bag of pods so that I can try my hand at a mandarin goby. Wife is absolutely in love with them. But realize that it takes patience with them. So we will see what happens with that lol.


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/06/2018, 07:27 PM   #8
~RuSh~
Registered Member
 
~RuSh~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 769
I'm no mandarin expert, but I'm fairly certain a 10g won't sustain a mandarin for long.

Have you checked out some of the beams work led fixtures? They are cheap - and not suitable for corals, but you could probably find one with a moon light switch for under 50 bucks.


__________________
Open your eyes and see that Life is Beautiful....
~RuSh~ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/06/2018, 07:31 PM   #9
~RuSh~
Registered Member
 
~RuSh~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 769
https://www.amazon.com/0-50W-Beamswo...light+aquarium


I wouldn't expect this light to do much, but it has 10k lights, blue lights and is cheap.


__________________
Open your eyes and see that Life is Beautiful....
~RuSh~ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/06/2018, 07:48 PM   #10
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
I was actually looking at a marineland 6400k just to get started. But I like that light as well


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/06/2018, 10:10 PM   #11
Bent
I got nothin'
 
Bent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The anals
Posts: 6,421
Quote:
Originally Posted by PitViper View Post
Thatís what is what Iím most excited about. Think next paycheck Iím going to get a 6400k LED light. Mane help this along just a tiny bit. But def want something with the moonlight anyway that way we can do as such as well. Iím going to be getting the bag of pods so that I can try my hand at a mandarin goby. Wife is absolutely in love with them. But realize that it takes patience with them. So we will see what happens with that lol.
Mandarin will starve in a 10g.


__________________
Quitters never lose.

[QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE]

Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump
Bent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/07/2018, 04:44 AM   #12
ramseynb
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: New Braunfels, TX
Posts: 647
New to the hobby.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bent View Post
Mandarin will starve in a 10g.


+1

10g is WAY too small. I would say 60g+ with a nice sized refugium to keep up the pod supply.

On the light, why are you wanting 6700k? Thatís very much in the red spectrum and likely to grow a lot of algae (would be good for a fuge) but most people would choose a spectrum between 14-20k with a few liking 12k. I have my LEDs cycle from 20k all the way to 12k (high noon) then back to 20k before night time. I like to see the colors change throughout the day, but corals donít look their greatest under 12k. 6700 is going to make them look very drab (and possibly not provide them enough from the blue end of the spectrum).

EDIT: You would likely be better off with a cheap ďChinese black boxĒ LED light for coral off of eBay or Amazon. Do a search on the forum for them. Also, you could probably find a used Kessil or Aqauillumination light that would allow you to keep any coral or clam. I wouldnít waste my money on the Marineland freshwater fixture, unless you want a lot of hair algae and drab colors.


__________________
How do you make an octopus laugh?

Ten tickles!

Last edited by ramseynb; 03/07/2018 at 04:50 AM.
ramseynb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/07/2018, 09:29 AM   #13
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
The light thing was just an idea. Thatís all. Never had an LED light. But I do have a pair of metal halides that Iím using for the tank. The 10g is because of space constraints. We donít have a big place and with two rowdy children itís a little easier to manage because of them.


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/07/2018, 09:52 AM   #14
Uncle99
Crab Free Zone
 
Uncle99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,943
10g is fine, but will limit the type and number of inhabitants you can keep to a small few.
In addition, small water columns change rapidly change so keep An eye on your water consistently, because of its size, less forgiving...


Uncle99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/07/2018, 10:01 AM   #15
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
Yea we are both going to keep a constant eye on it. As I learned my lesson with my sons freshwater fish that was in it. And seeing how fast it changed. Scares you a bit. But I’m only having maybe MAYBE three fish in it. Really haven’t chosen which ones I want in there though.


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/07/2018, 10:16 AM   #16
Uncle99
Crab Free Zone
 
Uncle99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,943
Great, we wish you tons of fun with your tank.
Call on the members if you need us!


Uncle99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/07/2018, 03:51 PM   #17
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
Ok major question. What are the starfish looking things on the glass that I see in a lot of fish tanks? And are they beneficial? Or good or harmful in any way?


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/07/2018, 06:03 PM   #18
Kentech5
Registered Member
 
Kentech5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Hudson Falls, NY
Posts: 370
Those are most likely aster is starfish. They can reproduce in your tank pretty easily. Some people consider them useful cleanup crew members but others think at least some types of asterism star may eat coral. Iím not a huge fan of them but others have them I their tanks with no issues.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Kentech5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/07/2018, 06:12 PM   #19
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
So generally speaking they are good for the tank then?


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/08/2018, 07:40 AM   #20
Bent
I got nothin'
 
Bent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The anals
Posts: 6,421
Quote:
Originally Posted by PitViper View Post
So generally speaking they are good for the tank then?
Depends on the sub species.

Some are detritus eaters, some are predatory.

Itís impossible to tell the sub species apart by looking.

There are more subspecies of detritus eaters than predatory ones.

Chances of being beneficial are good.


__________________
Quitters never lose.

[QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE]

Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump
Bent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/08/2018, 10:10 AM   #21
Uncle99
Crab Free Zone
 
Uncle99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,943
My take on starfish is a "better left in the sea" approach as most ( but not all) don't survive in captivity to long, maybe 12-18 months at best. Anything that multiples fast I remove, as I don't want these things to use up valued space, but that's just my take. Some are predatory, some can pop a clam with easy, some annoy corals, and some do a great job of mixing sand....


Uncle99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/08/2018, 02:17 PM   #22
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
Ok so here’s something else. I have had my tank up and running for about a week now. Ammonia had risen to .25 and nothing else. I’ve also added a raw shrimp in to the tank to start to help the cycle move a long a little faster. Should I do a water change now? Or wait for another week or two?


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/08/2018, 02:42 PM   #23
Bent
I got nothin'
 
Bent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The anals
Posts: 6,421
Quote:
Originally Posted by PitViper View Post
Ok so hereís something else. I have had my tank up and running for about a week now. Ammonia had risen to .25 and nothing else. Iíve also added a raw shrimp in to the tank to start to help the cycle move a long a little faster. Should I do a water change now? Or wait for another week or two?
Patience grasshopper. Patience.


__________________
Quitters never lose.

[QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE]

Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump
Bent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/08/2018, 02:44 PM   #24
ramseynb
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: New Braunfels, TX
Posts: 647
Quote:
Originally Posted by PitViper View Post
Ok so hereís something else. I have had my tank up and running for about a week now. Ammonia had risen to .25 and nothing else. Iíve also added a raw shrimp in to the tank to start to help the cycle move a long a little faster. Should I do a water change now? Or wait for another week or two?
No water change until there is 0 ammonia and nitrite. By that point, you should have some nitrate so do a hefty (20-50% - depending on how high the nitrates are) water change.


ramseynb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/08/2018, 02:54 PM   #25
PitViper
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 169
Roger that. Thank you very much


PitViper is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:01 PM.


TapaTalk Enabled

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2018 Axivo Inc.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef CentralTM Reef Central, LLC. Copyright ©1999-2014
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.