Reef Central Online Community

Home Forum Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences View New Posts View Today's Posts

Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Reefkeeping ...an online magazine for marine aquarists Support our sponsors and mention Reef Central

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community > Coral Forums > SPS Keepers
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

Notices

User Tag List

Reply
Thread Tools
Old 03/03/2006, 07:51 PM   #1
dolt
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: michigan
Posts: 440
xenia scrubber instead of algae scrubber?

I was feeding my fish at my office in my softy tank and noticed that there was absolutely no nuisance algae - this tank is a little neglected (last water change months ago - I know I'm a bad boy)it has just a few fish in it and they are not large and tons of red sea xenia green star polyps and zoanthids and a crappy skimmer that is so small and ineffective - I do not feed a lot in this tank - at home I have my spoiled baby SPS tank - it gets huge water changes every week, has a great protein skimmer, much better circulation but I have some nuisance algae - the sps tank gets fed very little and has a pretty low fish load as well - this led me to believe that it must be the xenia and they must obviously be better at using up nutrients in the water - I was wondering if anyone has experience using xenia and harvesting them from their sump like chaeto or other macroalgae? and if so does it work well? I'm thinking about giving it a try


dolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/03/2006, 09:08 PM   #2
MIKE NY
Two Decade club
 
MIKE NY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Franklin Square, N.Y.
Posts: 4,363
I'm using red sea xenia along with chaeto in my fuge....every little bit helps.


__________________
Proud LIRA Member
February 2011 Manhattan Reefs TOTM

Current Tank Info: 170 gal Reef, 20 gal frag/reef,90 gal fuge, 65 gal sump, 2-250 Radiums on Hamilton M80 HQIs, T5 actincs, Vertex in280 skimmer, MRC-2 Cal Reactor, Reeflo return pump
MIKE NY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/03/2006, 09:15 PM   #3
dolt
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: michigan
Posts: 440
which seems to grow faster or more?


dolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/03/2006, 09:24 PM   #4
Amphiprion
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Mobile, AL
Posts: 6,691
some sort of study showed that Xenia sp. consumed substantially more nitrate than Caulerpa and Chaetomorpha algae per unit mass. The same applied to certain DOCs as well.


__________________
You've done it now, haven't you?

Current Tank Info: 40g breeder patch reef w/ seagrass; 2-250w XM 10K; Vortech MP40wES & MP10wES; BM Curve 7 skimmer; carbon & occasional GFO
Amphiprion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/03/2006, 09:30 PM   #5
dolt
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: michigan
Posts: 440
how about phosphates?


dolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/03/2006, 09:36 PM   #6
Znut Reefer
Premium Member
 
Znut Reefer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Claxton, Ga
Posts: 3,430
I'm also using 3 different types of xenia in my refuge, no macro alge since its a bare bottom sps reef.


Znut Reefer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/03/2006, 09:44 PM   #7
Amphiprion
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Mobile, AL
Posts: 6,691
I would assume that they use a proportional amount of phosphate as well, but don't quote me on that.


__________________
You've done it now, haven't you?

Current Tank Info: 40g breeder patch reef w/ seagrass; 2-250w XM 10K; Vortech MP40wES & MP10wES; BM Curve 7 skimmer; carbon & occasional GFO
Amphiprion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/03/2006, 10:21 PM   #8
jsweir
Registered Member
 
jsweir's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: FL Panhandle
Posts: 1,643
Only problem is in a low nutrient sps system they wither away. Mine only last a few weeks. But I am BB...


__________________
Hobby Experience: 2 yrs
Current Tanks: 180 gallon sps
3 x 250W ROIII pendants 4 x 54W T5
3 x phoenix 14K on icecap ballasts
H&S A150-2001 skimmer
2 x Tunze 6200/multicontroller/wavebox
jsweir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 12:38 AM   #9
jay24k
Registered Member
 
jay24k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Leesburg, Florida
Posts: 6,582
I have alot of Xenia in my 180 and I have 0 nuisance algae. I wonder if the Xenia really helps because of the lack of issues I have. MY side glass which is 18" deep because of the 6" overflow, 24" tall is pretty much solid covered in it. I also have the short mat Xenia on the back glass that is probably covering about a square foot currently. It grows fairly decent for me.

I don't know if I believe the nutrient bandwagon per se. I've seen several tanks that have nutrient problems that can't grow Xenia and others that are nutrient starving tanks with Xenia growing nuts. I think overall they do help some but I don't know to what extent.


jay24k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 08:00 AM   #10
jsweir
Registered Member
 
jsweir's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: FL Panhandle
Posts: 1,643
Interesting. I would like to know what the limiting factor is. I really like xenia and would like to keep at least a little in the tank. I just can't for some reason...


__________________
Hobby Experience: 2 yrs
Current Tanks: 180 gallon sps
3 x 250W ROIII pendants 4 x 54W T5
3 x phoenix 14K on icecap ballasts
H&S A150-2001 skimmer
2 x Tunze 6200/multicontroller/wavebox
jsweir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 09:29 AM   #11
Jeremy Blaze
Former Reef Addict
 
Jeremy Blaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Washington, IN
Posts: 5,921
Check out Garf, they had a big thing about xenia filters.


__________________
Trust me my friend, the names are not important at all. I've own hundreds of different zoas and palys and don't know the name of a single one. In my opinion, they are a waste of valuable time.
Mucho Reef
Jeremy Blaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 11:03 AM   #12
dolt
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: michigan
Posts: 440
cool guys thanks for the great info - I think that I am going to try this - I do not have a huge phosphate problem (is less than 0.03 by salifert) but still have this annoying brown plating algae on my rocks a little - and I am not barebottom - anyone know where I might find that article that addresses this? also is anyone using just xenia without macroalgae in a fuge or otherwise?


dolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 11:39 AM   #13
Mr aqua
Registered Member
 
Mr aqua's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: So Cali
Posts: 258
I had brown plating until I got a purple tang...


Mr aqua is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 11:45 AM   #14
Jeremy Blaze
Former Reef Addict
 
Jeremy Blaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Washington, IN
Posts: 5,921
Are you wanting an article about the brown algae, or the xenia filter?

As I said, Garf has info on it, and had an article in an old Marine FIsh Monthly


__________________
Trust me my friend, the names are not important at all. I've own hundreds of different zoas and palys and don't know the name of a single one. In my opinion, they are a waste of valuable time.
Mucho Reef
Jeremy Blaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 12:19 PM   #15
dolt
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: michigan
Posts: 440
I was looking for the article that Amphiprion referred to above - I'll check the garf stuff and see if it is there


dolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 12:26 PM   #16
dolt
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: michigan
Posts: 440
I could not find anything on garf about xenia used as a nutrient export mechanism - there was stuff on there about xenia propagation for sale though - maybe I was looking in the wrong parts? I also looked under filtration but nothing


dolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 01:20 PM   #17
G-money
Premium Member
 
G-money's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 2,253
Amphiprion,

Can you point us to the study on the nitrate uptake of Xenia. I'd be interested in reading that.

It would make sense, since Xenia (as far as I know) aren't very capable of capturing prey. I have a BB tank and had just a little pompom on a rock when I started. Now I have to prune like a madman just to keep it in check - eradicating it is unfortunately out of the question... I guess I could cover the whole rock in a layer of epoxy.


__________________
I'll shut up now...

Current Tank Info: 120 reef, 75 plant
G-money is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 01:39 PM   #18
Jeremy Blaze
Former Reef Addict
 
Jeremy Blaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Washington, IN
Posts: 5,921
Yeah, I could not find it on their site anymore. Try e mailing them, I know it was garf that did a lot on it and were using some large xenia bed filters on some tanks.

If anyone has old MFM it was in 99 or 2000 I believe.


__________________
Trust me my friend, the names are not important at all. I've own hundreds of different zoas and palys and don't know the name of a single one. In my opinion, they are a waste of valuable time.
Mucho Reef
Jeremy Blaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 01:51 PM   #19
onthefly
Registered Member
 
onthefly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Oceanside, Ca
Posts: 766
I'm with jswier......

I love the look of the stuff, but in my system it dies in a month. So do all forms of macro algae.


onthefly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 03:00 PM   #20
dolt
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: michigan
Posts: 440
well you guys are doing something better than I am as I have a minor algae problem, and if you have that, you have a nutrient problem - I am just looking for a "natural" way of taking care of it - I was going to get chaeto, but have not gotten around to it, and this just seems easier (and hopefully better) I have resorted to using phosban, but it has played havoc with my alk (and it is expensive - xenia are free)

Jeremy Blaze - I see that you are skimmerless - what do you use then for nutrient export? do you have a lot of SPS (you gallery shows as lot of softy type stuff) - I have always been curious about skimmerless systems


dolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 06:14 PM   #21
Jeremy Blaze
Former Reef Addict
 
Jeremy Blaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Washington, IN
Posts: 5,921
I use various types of algae, as well as carbon and phosban. I also feel my clams help with it as well. I have a few acros and a lot of zoas, heres some pics of it,







__________________
Trust me my friend, the names are not important at all. I've own hundreds of different zoas and palys and don't know the name of a single one. In my opinion, they are a waste of valuable time.
Mucho Reef
Jeremy Blaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 08:00 PM   #22
dolt
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: michigan
Posts: 440
very nice - that sqamie looks pretty big - I am going to set it up tomorrow - I spent all day cleaning pumps, skimmer etc so did not get around to it today


dolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 10:25 PM   #23
Reefflections
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 922
For the ones that can't keep Zenia.Are you using any Potassium Iodide 1% in your system,or even PFI ? They love the stuff.Also will help all your other corals,including coloring up your SPS's even more?What they really thrive on is DT's which it seems a lot of folks don't use as much anymore.I had to rip ever piece of Zenia out,it grew like wild fire.And spread everywhere.
Also Z-nut talk to you on Sunday.


Reefflections is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/04/2006, 11:23 PM   #24
bowfront
10 & Over Club
 
bowfront's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,675
Funny stuff this Xenia. I've spent several years trying to eradicate it after switching to a predominate SPS tank.


bowfront is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/05/2006, 08:32 AM   #25
Jeremy Blaze
Former Reef Addict
 
Jeremy Blaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Washington, IN
Posts: 5,921
Well, I've heard that they like iodide, but it can be toxic in small doses as weel, and never really proven that they actually use it, to my knowledge. As for DT's, it has been shown that Xenia does not feed on any matter, instead relys on photosythisis, I believe this is discussed in Bornemans book.


__________________
Trust me my friend, the names are not important at all. I've own hundreds of different zoas and palys and don't know the name of a single one. In my opinion, they are a waste of valuable time.
Mucho Reef
Jeremy Blaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:23 AM.


TapaTalk Enabled

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2018 Axivo Inc.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef CentralTM Reef Central, LLC. Copyright 1999-2014
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.