Test Kit, Purist Line and C1

[Fliger]

First off let me say this stuff is packaged so amazingly well. Second, my corals responded well to the C1 immediately. Third, I have yet to use the test kit, but it looks very easy to use. I just got the DKH but am looking forward to the Ca & PO4.

Now onto the Purist Line, I bought RB10, 20, 30, 40 & 50. I just have a few questions (for now )

There were only directions for the RB10 & 20 - the rest had a generic description of the products. Adequate, but generic. Did I miss something?

Next - on the RB10, it says during maintenance to use .5ml/100lt every two days. My tank is approximately 500lt. So that is 2.5ml every two days. The package is only 10ml, so that would only last me 8 days - is that correct? If so, is there a larger package? Even tho I bought two RB10 - it would last me 1/2 month. Please LMK if I am reading it correctly. My tank isn't particularly large so I'm guessing (hoping) I'm missing something here.

General question - RB10 is prescribed in ml, and RB20 in drops. Is there a measurement between the two? RB20 would be 50 drops/week which seems like I'd run out quickly as well.

FiltraM -

Where is the optimal placement, given that I have an Elos sump? Filter bag in the first section where the skimmer feeds? I got a white thick bag with the sump, I don't think thats what I want to use, water does not pass thru it easily.

Also can FiltraM be mixed with carbon?

As you know my tank is very low nutrients and my general husbandry is good. I'm trying this Purist line because I am very impressed with all the other products I've seen. In the "Attention" section it says only to use FiltraM if necessary and, in any case, only if the level of organic matter & minerals are too high. This one got me a little confused as I wouldn't consider my tank to be either.

It also says in the FiltraM packet (and only FiltraM) - Dosage should be reduced to half in case a skimmer or ozonizator are used. Please clarify this as well.

Thanks Jesse, I'm hoping this product is right for me but unsure if I want to open a new RB10 & RB20 so frequently given that my tank & SPS are already doing extremely well. Please LMK what you think.

Oh and I can't wait til tomorrow to add the C1 again.

[elosusa]

Originally posted by Fliger
First off let me say this stuff is packaged so amazingly well. Second, my corals responded well to the C1 immediately. Third, I have yet to use the test kit, but it looks very easy to use. I just got the DKH but am looking forward to the Ca & PO4.

Now onto the Purist Line, I bought RB10, 20, 30, 40 & 50. I just have a few questions (for now )

There were only directions for the RB10 & 20 - the rest had a generic description of the products. Adequate, but generic. Did I miss something?

Next - on the RB10, it says during maintenance to use .5ml/100lt every two days. My tank is approximately 500lt. So that is 2.5ml every two days. The package is only 10ml, so that would only last me 8 days - is that correct? If so, is there a larger package? Even tho I bought two RB10 - it would last me 1/2 month. Please LMK if I am reading it correctly. My tank isn't particularly large so I'm guessing (hoping) I'm missing something here.

General question - RB10 is prescribed in ml, and RB20 in drops. Is there a measurement between the two? RB20 would be 50 drops/week which seems like I'd run out quickly as well.

FiltraM -

Where is the optimal placement, given that I have an Elos sump? Filter bag in the first section where the skimmer feeds? I got a white thick bag with the sump, I don't think thats what I want to use, water does not pass thru it easily.

Also can FiltraM be mixed with carbon?

As you know my tank is very low nutrients and my general husbandry is good. I'm trying this Purist line because I am very impressed with all the other products I've seen. In the "Attention" section it says only to use FiltraM if necessary and, in any case, only if the level of organic matter & minerals are too high. This one got me a little confused as I wouldn't consider my tank to be either.

It also says in the FiltraM packet (and only FiltraM) - Dosage should be reduced to half in case a skimmer or ozonizator are used. Please clarify this as well.

Thanks Jesse, I'm hoping this product is right for me but unsure if I want to open a new RB10 & RB20 so frequently given that my tank & SPS are already doing extremely well. Please LMK what you think.

Oh and I can't wait til tomorrow to add the C1 again.

I'll make this as quick as I can:
The directions are very simple for Rb30-50 and the chart at the end is all you really need.

The size of the Rb10 and the Rb20 is all that we offer now but if we need to make a larger size we can. The dosages you are reading are max. dosages and all tanks will be different. I have used the max. dosage and I now use 1/3rd of the dosage and get good results. Obviously, when we make the instructions we have to think of a very general guideline and if you are running a very low nutrient tank that is doing great there is no need to use the max. dosages to reduce the already low nutrients.
I noticed the ml's and the drops on the Rb20, as well. The dropper we use are lab grade droppers and they dispense the same ml's everytime and I forget what that is I'll let you know but I think 1 drop is around .2ml but don't quote me on that until I get confirmation. Again, with this, me and other testers are using a much smaller dosage on tanks that I would say are similar to yours. I did use Rb10 and 20 as suggested in the chart for the first week and then starting cutting back after that.
Optimal placement of Filtra M is in the middle chamber in our SUMP. I would use a media bag. I would not use it in the same bag as carbon because Filtra M should be only PARTIALLY changed every 6-8 weeks and if it was mixed with carbon it would be a pain to pick out the mixed in carbon. Filtra M is a very porous media and when you change it you only remove and replace 60% at a time unlike carbon that should be completely removed and replaced.
The dosages for filtra M is correct when it says use 1/3rd the amount when used in a system like yours (good skimmer, good water flow, strong lighting, carbon, etc). In our Filtra models Filtra M, Rb10 and Rb20 are included as the main source of filtration for FO and LPS tanks, with your system this is only part of your filtration so there is no need for the full dosage.

As I said earlier, all tanks are different and I will be curious to see how quickly you start to see results. Keep us informed. I love the C1, as well. I have sold a good amount of it and have a lot of positive responses. Let me know if you have any other questions.

[elosusa]

There is a 100ml size of the RB 10. I will have this size in next month. Also I should mention that the Rb10 and 20 have been on the market for 5 years and the entire range has been developed for people keeping mainly SPS with strong light, good skimmer, good water movement seeking out even better water quality. Let me know if you have any other questions.

[Fliger]

Thanks Jesse for the response and the phone call. Its was great to hear about the other stuff you are coming up with. In talking to you about the philosophy of your company, we have the same philosophy with our business - why would I do what everyone else is doing - how boring would that be. Plus I have to surround myself with colleagues and clientele, so they'd better be people I want to spend the day with.

- So I will use 1/3 or so of the FiltraM, and probably just 1ml of RB10 every other day.

- Please do LMK how many drops = ml on RB20.

? - What other products might you recommend? I see the Aqua Uno M mentioned a couple times in the Purist line literature.

- I will discontinue ROWAphos use.

? - What is the best way to dissolve RB30 & RB40 - in FW or is tank water OK?

Thanks again,

David

[elosusa]

Tank water is fine for dissolving. The Rb 30 dissolves slower than the Rb 40 which dissolves very quickly. The purist line for your application is designed around what you have and dosing other elements (Mg, strontium, iron, etc.),but this is up to you. Personally I have dosed strontium and I have started to experiment with Iron but it is too early to give you a report on this. The one thing that I don't have available is C2, that I will have on the next shipment and this will compliment the system in reducing nutrients. I have used it and I am in the same boat as you as far as low nutrients, so I do not use it at the moment because the basic 5 (Rb10-50), Filtra M and C1 have kept nutrients low and everyone happy. Keep me informed on how it is going and I will talk to you later.

[Fliger]

Wow that KH kits is super easy. Just one dropper, no powders. High quality syringe, it looks silicone. Only thing is that it doesn't measure out to the decimal, but all I care about is consistency so its good for me. Very nice product and easier than the Salifert for sure. It also matched my Salifert KH kit exactly (currently 10DKH).

[elosusa]

Notice anything about the Rb10 in this picture?

Apparently I didn't as I was posting in this thread
Well, as you can see I'm an idiot, I have the 100ml in stock and I didn't realize it as I was taking photos of it and staring at it on my desk. So Fliger, let me know when you need to "reload" and I will send you the 100ml bottle over. Here is the "family shot" that I didn't post in the other purist line thread.

Let me know a couple of days in advance so I can send it over before you run out. Better yet use the office number and ask for Liz and perhaps she can read a label better than I can
"One hundred has two zeros right?". Talk to you later