210 gallon in a mobile home?

72olds455 · 11/15/2006, 12:26 PM

Okay so I have a new 2007 double wide. 2 x 6 floor joists on a 16" center and has 5/8" decking. There is a steel frame under the joists and cinder block pilers under the outside wall. the foot print is 84" x 24" and I will probably have an extra 70 gallons in the sump and fuge. What do you guys think???

Thanks
David

dwillingm · 11/15/2006, 01:43 PM

It depends on alot of factors which probably cant be answered through a thread. Are the joists running perpendicular, or parallel to the tank? You are talking about around 3000 pounds of weight here. I would not be comfortable with a setup that size without getting some advice from an engineer or architect.

72olds455 · 11/15/2006, 05:25 PM

It should rest on 5 joists, the beams that run under the joists are 4 feet appart and run long ways with the tank. Do you think it will only be 3000 lbs? I was thinking more. I have a 75 gallon with a 30 gallon sump in a different ruum and the floor never even made a sound I know the 210 is more than 2x heaver but it also has almost twice the foot print. Let me know if you need any more info.

jmccown · 11/15/2006, 07:03 PM

I just installed a 380g tank in a 20 year old mobile home. No problems. Just reinforce the floor directly under the tank.

72olds455 · 11/15/2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by jmccown
I just installed a 380g tank in a 20 year old mobile home. No problems. Just reinforce the floor directly under the tank.

I noticed in your tag line it says your in the buildup process. Have you filled it yet?

caferacermike · 11/16/2006, 05:43 AM

My house was built in 1920 using poorly engineered pier and beams. The piers are just 3"-6" tree trunks that they cleared the land with. The house is about 4' off the ground. Of course I was nervous setting up a 125g tank in the house. I put the tank in the room dry, took some measurements and hand poured a 4" concrete pad under the foot print of the house. Then I secured 4x4 studs across the 2x6 beans and put scaffold jacks under the stucs. I used 2" steel pipe to make up the difference and raised the jacks until it was all nice and tight. Now the 125 is tight as a drum but my 75g unsupported tank wiggles and jiggles when you walk by.

kysmith · 11/16/2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by jmccown
I just installed a 380g tank in a 20 year old mobile home. No problems. Just reinforce the floor directly under the tank.

LOL your fish's home costs more than yours!

......and mine for that matter as I don't own a home.

jmccown · 11/16/2006, 11:19 AM

Yes it is filled up with water.

No, the tank doesn't cost more than my house. You would never know my house is 20 years old. I take pride in my properties, especially my residence. I have added on so much to the mobile home that you would never know it is a mobile home. Matter of fact, that 20 year old home appraised for over 120K this past summer, mind you. With my garage I have almost 3000 square feet of living space. On the bright side, since the addition of the tank it will hopefully increase the value of the home another 10K or so.

Seriously, I think you will find that MOST mobile homes are made much better than a normal house. Considering that there are steel beams under the MH. Go for the 210, you won't have any problems.

jmccown · 11/16/2006, 11:23 AM

Here is a link to my buildup. Pics are somewhat old, I still have to face up the front of the stand and canopy.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...19#post8559619

kysmith · 11/16/2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by jmccown
20 year old home appraised for over 120K

I can't buy a 500 sqft 1 bedroom condo within 50 miles for that much

It's official I'm moving

eyebedam · 11/16/2006, 02:34 PM

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Seriously, I think you will find that MOST mobile homes are made much better than a normal house. Considering that there are steel beams under the MH. Go for the 210, you won't have any problems.
Not trying to crack any jokes but thats 1 pricey trailer & 1 huge tornado magnet.

eyebedam · 11/16/2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by eyebedam
jmccown
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Registered: May 2005
Location: Kentucky
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Posts: 303

Seriously, I think you will find that MOST mobile homes are made much better than a normal house. Considering that there are steel beams under the MH. Go for the 210, you won't have any problems.
Not trying to crack any jokes but thats 1 pricey trailer & 1 huge tornado magnet.

72olds455 · 11/16/2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by eyebedam
Not trying to crack any jokes but thats 1 pricey trailer & 1 huge tornado magnet.

I just paid 90,000 for mine and thats just for the mobile home not the land ect. They are alot different than they used to be. Mine is 2300+ sq feet, 2 x 6 outer walls 4 bed 2 bath and sheetrock through out. Not alot of tornados here, but the hurricanes can be a real pain in the butt.

jcjstl · 11/16/2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by jmccown
On the bright side, since the addition of the tank it will hopefully increase the value of the home another 10K or so.

Seriously, I think you will find that MOST mobile homes are made much better than a normal house. Considering that there are steel beams under the MH. Go for the 210, you won't have any problems.

Have to disagree with you on two points.... adding a fish tank will not raise the value of your home as you are narrowing the group of people that would be interested in your home as not everyone would want to deal with it (same thing as a pool). Most mobile homes are made more square and rue than normal houses but not better because they use lower quality materials... (not many stick built house use mdf for subfloors.) In almost all mobile homes the first thing that falls apart is the subfloor (I sold them for a few years and was trained on how they are manufactured and what materials they use. also watched them being built). While I am not knocking living in a manufactured home... I must says you got huge brass balls putting a tank that big in one.
jmho

jmccown · 11/16/2006, 08:10 PM

Not a chance in HE*% that a tornado would hit in the mountains of Kentucky. No worries about that. Only fault I have with a mobile home is that sometimes the walls aren't perfectly square. But that could be from transportation. I'll admit though, if I had it to do over, I would have just built a house. MH's depreciate too quickly and insurance companies will not insure a MH that is more than 7 years old, with homeowners policies anyways.

Seriously, though, my floor is 3/4" plywood with 2x8 floor joists and it worked out that there is an I-beam directly under my tank. I can literally jump up and down in front of the big tank (and I weigh 235 lbs) and the water doesn't even move in the tank. It is very sturdy.

jcjstl · 11/16/2006, 08:13 PM

yeah my dad cant get insurance in his cause he has a wood burning stove that heats his home.

jmccown · 11/16/2006, 08:17 PM

BTW, we are not talking a single-wide trailer here. I live in a double-wide with a large addition that I built on....there is a guy here on RC that has a 450g tank in a single wide and he hasn't had any problems. Can't remember who he is but maybe he will chime in on this thread...

Texas · 11/18/2006, 07:36 AM

I have a 150, 200, 135, 65 and make RO water into two 55 gallon containers and have never had a problem. Our mobile home is an 84 model.

doggiestlist · 11/18/2006, 09:33 AM

i had just moved out of a modulare/mobile home i had a ton of tanks in this house

my house was 16x80 singlewide mind you

the tanks i had set up at one time with no florr issues at all
300 gal 8 ft
168 gal 6 ft
125 6 ft
90 gal
50 gal
20 gal
these where ones i had just broke down but at one point i had 8 tanks total not including my sons 3 tanks

when placing an extra large tank in a modular or mobile remember these homes have steel joist the run the total length of your home single wides have 2 double wides have 4..be sure to place the tank across both of these joist and it will not bow your floor do not run these large heavy tanks on an outside wall this will creat bowing and unleveling which can in turn break your tank.. hope this helps

kysmith · 11/18/2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by doggiestlist

the tanks i had set up at one time with no florr issues at all
300 gal 8 ft
168 gal 6 ft
125 6 ft
90 gal
50 gal
20 gal

Way too cool

11/15/2006, 12:26 PM	#1
72olds455 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Panama City, Fl Posts: 176	210 gallon in a mobile home? Okay so I have a new 2007 double wide. 2 x 6 floor joists on a 16" center and has 5/8" decking. There is a steel frame under the joists and cinder block pilers under the outside wall. the foot print is 84" x 24" and I will probably have an extra 70 gallons in the sump and fuge. What do you guys think??? Thanks David

11/15/2006, 07:03 PM	#4
jmccown Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stone, Kentucky Posts: 3,166	I just installed a 380g tank in a 20 year old mobile home. No problems. Just reinforce the floor directly under the tank. __________________ "When I die, my biggest fear is that my wife sells all my toys for what I TOLD HER I paid for them" 750 +gallons 600 FOWLR 144 HALF CIRCLE MIXED REEF

11/16/2006, 05:43 AM	#6
caferacermike Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 43	My house was built in 1920 using poorly engineered pier and beams. The piers are just 3"-6" tree trunks that they cleared the land with. The house is about 4' off the ground. Of course I was nervous setting up a 125g tank in the house. I put the tank in the room dry, took some measurements and hand poured a 4" concrete pad under the foot print of the house. Then I secured 4x4 studs across the 2x6 beans and put scaffold jacks under the stucs. I used 2" steel pipe to make up the difference and raised the jacks until it was all nice and tight. Now the 125 is tight as a drum but my 75g unsupported tank wiggles and jiggles when you walk by. __________________ none. Current Tank Info: 75g community reef, emphasis on SPS. 125g freshwater with the rarest plecos in the world. 400g soon to be set up reef.

11/16/2006, 11:19 AM	#8
jmccown Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stone, Kentucky Posts: 3,166	Yes it is filled up with water. No, the tank doesn't cost more than my house. You would never know my house is 20 years old. I take pride in my properties, especially my residence. I have added on so much to the mobile home that you would never know it is a mobile home. Matter of fact, that 20 year old home appraised for over 120K this past summer, mind you. With my garage I have almost 3000 square feet of living space. On the bright side, since the addition of the tank it will hopefully increase the value of the home another 10K or so. Seriously, I think you will find that MOST mobile homes are made much better than a normal house. Considering that there are steel beams under the MH. Go for the 210, you won't have any problems. __________________ "When I die, my biggest fear is that my wife sells all my toys for what I TOLD HER I paid for them" 750 +gallons 600 FOWLR 144 HALF CIRCLE MIXED REEF

11/16/2006, 11:23 AM	#9
jmccown Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stone, Kentucky Posts: 3,166	Here is a link to my buildup. Pics are somewhat old, I still have to face up the front of the stand and canopy. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...19#post8559619 __________________ "When I die, my biggest fear is that my wife sells all my toys for what I TOLD HER I paid for them" 750 +gallons 600 FOWLR 144 HALF CIRCLE MIXED REEF

11/15/2006, 01:43 PM	#2
dwillingm Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NC Posts: 212	It depends on alot of factors which probably cant be answered through a thread. Are the joists running perpendicular, or parallel to the tank? You are talking about around 3000 pounds of weight here. I would not be comfortable with a setup that size without getting some advice from an engineer or architect.

11/15/2006, 05:25 PM	#3
72olds455 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Panama City, Fl Posts: 176	It should rest on 5 joists, the beams that run under the joists are 4 feet appart and run long ways with the tank. Do you think it will only be 3000 lbs? I was thinking more. I have a 75 gallon with a 30 gallon sump in a different ruum and the floor never even made a sound I know the 210 is more than 2x heaver but it also has almost twice the foot print. Let me know if you need any more info.

11/16/2006, 02:34 PM	#11
eyebedam Is Sailing the Seas Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Juliet TN Posts: 2,060	jmccown Registered Member Registered: May 2005 Location: Kentucky Occupation: Human Resources Posts: 303 Seriously, I think you will find that MOST mobile homes are made much better than a normal house. Considering that there are steel beams under the MH. Go for the 210, you won't have any problems. Not trying to crack any jokes but thats 1 pricey trailer & 1 huge tornado magnet. __________________ "There are many things you can refuse to do with a man. You can refuse to work for him, dine with him, or talk to him. But if he wants to fight, you have to oblige him." --Pat Buchanon “I’ve always believed that America’s government was a unique political system — one designed by geniuses so that it could be run by idiots. I was wrong. No system can be smart enough to survive this level of incompetence and recklessness by the people charged to run it." Thomas Friedman, NY Times Current Tank Info: 180 Gal plumbed in the basement with 200 gal sump. Decided to go aggressive from this point on.

11/16/2006, 08:10 PM	#15
jmccown Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stone, Kentucky Posts: 3,166	Not a chance in HE*% that a tornado would hit in the mountains of Kentucky. No worries about that. Only fault I have with a mobile home is that sometimes the walls aren't perfectly square. But that could be from transportation. I'll admit though, if I had it to do over, I would have just built a house. MH's depreciate too quickly and insurance companies will not insure a MH that is more than 7 years old, with homeowners policies anyways. Seriously, though, my floor is 3/4" plywood with 2x8 floor joists and it worked out that there is an I-beam directly under my tank. I can literally jump up and down in front of the big tank (and I weigh 235 lbs) and the water doesn't even move in the tank. It is very sturdy. __________________ "When I die, my biggest fear is that my wife sells all my toys for what I TOLD HER I paid for them" 750 +gallons 600 FOWLR 144 HALF CIRCLE MIXED REEF

11/16/2006, 08:13 PM	#16
jcjstl Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO (Maryland Heights) Posts: 590	yeah my dad cant get insurance in his cause he has a wood burning stove that heats his home. __________________ Joe Current Tank Info: Current cardiff tank and 240 inwall

11/16/2006, 08:17 PM	#17
jmccown Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stone, Kentucky Posts: 3,166	BTW, we are not talking a single-wide trailer here. I live in a double-wide with a large addition that I built on....there is a guy here on RC that has a 450g tank in a single wide and he hasn't had any problems. Can't remember who he is but maybe he will chime in on this thread... __________________ "When I die, my biggest fear is that my wife sells all my toys for what I TOLD HER I paid for them" 750 +gallons 600 FOWLR 144 HALF CIRCLE MIXED REEF

11/18/2006, 07:36 AM	#18
Texas Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 123	I have a 150, 200, 135, 65 and make RO water into two 55 gallon containers and have never had a problem. Our mobile home is an 84 model. __________________ Don't accept your dogs admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. ~Ann Landers

11/18/2006, 09:33 AM	#19
doggiestlist Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 123	i had just moved out of a modulare/mobile home i had a ton of tanks in this house my house was 16x80 singlewide mind you the tanks i had set up at one time with no florr issues at all 300 gal 8 ft 168 gal 6 ft 125 6 ft 90 gal 50 gal 20 gal these where ones i had just broke down but at one point i had 8 tanks total not including my sons 3 tanks when placing an extra large tank in a modular or mobile remember these homes have steel joist the run the total length of your home single wides have 2 double wides have 4..be sure to place the tank across both of these joist and it will not bow your floor do not run these large heavy tanks on an outside wall this will creat bowing and unleveling which can in turn break your tank.. hope this helps