Time for some Clown Questions :)

Kmiec123 · 11/27/2006, 05:39 PM

Hi all,
Some background:
So of you have seen me around, My name is Carl and I have just started in the clown breeding game. I have a Pair of Percula's that started spawning in the beginning of September. They seem to start immediately fallowing getting a quality light fixture set on timers. Also, after a 120 gal tank move with a new house in July.
First batch, total wash, I knew nothing at that time, as you can see I joined RC on 9-10-06

Eggs were laid on back part of overflow and I tried fishing the hatch and failed. I thing I was fishing for something I didn't even know what it looked like. I took advice and got Wilkersons book and the Photoplankton Manual and started with Green water and Rotifers. I fallowed advice from the books and placed a 4in clay pot base in the spot of the spawn immediately fallowing hatch two. Where the pair is still laying eggs today.
Second batch total wash, don't think I knew what a rotifer was supposed to look like and fished out about 10 or so

Still learning!
Batch three was the first to be reared/moved pre hatch and was going good and I brain farted and forgot to plug back in the heater after a cleaning

so due to user error I killed more. one for the little guys survived for three days after a 11 degree temp drop, tuff little bugger.
Batch four I had a rotifer crash and had Mitch drop some off (thanks again) Along with some T-Iso and wouldn't even take gas money-Super Guy. I also was told bb was possible from the start so I did that and Today they're at 29 days with a count of 14 little buggers.

Batch five was better, got about 50-60 survivors now at 15 days and all is well. Feeding had Mostly DT's after a nanno contamination with rotifers-Learned from that one

.\
Batch six turned out to be a two day hatch, as some of the earlier hatches and lower temp. 81 Degrees F or so. Having a MH Lighting issue with the Balest so screwed up my temps.\

Well that's my background story and Some of what I learned thus far. Thanks to all on RC for your valuable incite.

I was actually feeling guilty jumping everybody else's thread so I figured I'd start my own for future questions. (Sorry Matt

)

I can Post pics if anybody wants just let me know and I will. Any questions from newer folks I'll try to help the best I can.

Thanks again to all,
Carl

gemini aquarius(t) · 11/27/2006, 05:45 PM

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Kmiec123 · 11/27/2006, 05:45 PM

Know for the Question....Wondering if it is recommended to keep the eggs with the parents trough hatch in broodstock. I have been moving the eggs the night of the hatch and keeping them in sterilized parent tank water with a heater and an airstone under the heater and on to aerate the eggs. I have been playing around with the intensity of the air and can't seem to get better than 60 or so with a 250-300 eggs nest. IO was just wondering if 60 is good, don't get me wrong it's better than the first three I know, but I have read that rearing can archive better than 90% with I am even close too. Just looking for some incite of experience. Thanks...Carl

gemini aquarius(t) · 11/27/2006, 06:36 PM

pictures please?

Kmiec123 · 11/27/2006, 07:38 PM

Pics as requested:

Mama and Papa

Papa and Eggs at 3 Days

Day 13 Batch #4

Day 2 Batch #5

gemini aquarius(t) · 11/27/2006, 07:41 PM

wow thats amazing!!! good luck with the babies! do you have any pictures of the system?

Kmiec123 · 11/27/2006, 07:47 PM

Not much of a system, as stated in your tread. but here is the origonal rearing tank.

Just a 10 gal hex with black constrution paper on the sides and white on the botton, and aiurstone and a heater...Carl

saltwater4life1 · 11/27/2006, 07:49 PM

wow nice pictures and like gemini said i too would like to see pictures of your breeding room

i wanna get into this breeding thing

EDIT nvm you posted some ;D nice tank so your raising them all in there or skipping some?

gemini aquarius(t) · 11/27/2006, 07:50 PM

well that does look really simple what do you feed at what ages? and how often and what filtration do you have sorry for all the questions and requests but i really would like to know

thanks]
xavier

Kmiec123 · 11/27/2006, 08:04 PM

This is now With hopefully somne changes soon!

And the Parent tank: Old Picture, Can't get new-Light are out

Kmiec123 · 11/27/2006, 08:09 PM

O' Ya-Current pics of my oldest guys so far-Batch 4 at 28 Days..Carl

gemini aquarius(t) · 11/27/2006, 08:12 PM

thats sweet is the parent tank the 120/?? also can you explain the 3 tanks please??

Kmiec123 · 11/27/2006, 08:22 PM

Yes on the parent is a 120 gal 24x48x24. the three tanks are folr batch 4,5,and 6. at 28 days, 15days and 1 days. Feed is rots/phyto cruched flack/pelet, oto and cyclopeze enriched with selcon and enriched bb shrimp. Rot's only for like 5 days, then bb and others. Check some of the other breeding threads- oynx breeding log from mwp - Awsome info, read the book-Wilkerson Clownfish and search this form. Lot's of info just gotta read,read,read.....Carl

saltwater4life1 · 11/27/2006, 08:25 PM

wow nice pictures so the clowns lay there eggs in the plant thing? and then you remove them and put them in the 10g do the older guys eat the smaller ones?

Kmiec123 · 11/27/2006, 08:31 PM

I was advised to keep them separate, hence the three tanks

looking to set up more organized situation so I'll be looking for suggestions.

saltwater4life1 · 11/27/2006, 08:42 PM

hmm yea i'm thinking of making something to hold 3 10g tanks

Kmiec123 · 11/28/2006, 09:01 PM

I was Thinking on setting up something a little more organized to make things a little easier. Here's a picture of a tentative sketch of an area in my basement I got authorization to use for the fish.

Permission granted on a limited budget, of course-I got a wedding to pay for next fall.

Just looking for some input, things I would have done different if I did it again kind of stuff. Particularly with piping and filtration. I did plumbing for 10 years in the past so that's not a problem. Was thinking to have all the 10 gal's piped together with valves to have solitary systems on one system along with tee'd in valves for individual water changes if needed. the two 20 or 30 gal. grow outs on one system I guess, with what type of filters, I may need help with. Do not have the tanks yet so that could have to so with if I get stuff used with the tanks or just get standard glass tanks and drill out for my needs.

Any comments and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated....Thanks...Carl

mwp · 11/28/2006, 11:17 PM

Carl, that's a neat little setup and can probably be done very inexpensively. The closed cabinets in the base could generate a lot of heat with the water pump running in there...just a thought that you might need some ventilation fans on that cabinet setup!

Matt

Kmiec123 · 11/29/2006, 05:10 AM

The cabinets under the tanks don't need to be closed up, just for the picture to get an Idea. Not sure on Filters and pumps but going to have a sump for two 20's at least. Any Recommendations?

mwp · 11/29/2006, 10:49 AM

If you're only doing 2 20's, why not just do something like a 55 gallon and put a divider in it, either removeable or permenant?

Matt

MimicTang · 11/29/2006, 02:34 PM

You also might be able to fit another 3rd shelve there too. I'm planning a 3 level and its about 6 and half feet tall.

Kmiec123 · 11/29/2006, 02:37 PM

I guess it would be good, For dimensions will matter and thought two systems for possible insolating if a problem arises would be good, I guess basically two of the largest tanks I can fit with removable divider as well. Six of on half dozen of the other I guess. Maybe this all depends on what I can find used.

We'll see...Carl

Kathy55g · 11/29/2006, 04:20 PM

No, a third shelf would likely not be good. one must be able to get in there for cleaning and fish removal.

Kmiec123 · 11/29/2006, 08:26 PM

My thoughts as well Kathy, Kind of want as much room as possible so the not so fun parts are not made more not so fun ??@?##

You get it, Besides if I need more room I have it, unlike some people(Matt

). so I'll just request authorization for more room, better do so before the wedding

kerusso316 · 11/30/2006, 10:32 PM

I have the greatest wife.I told her the other day if we run out of grow out room we may need Patricks{10 year old son} room.She sayed " no problebm....we could put Him in the garage".....LOL

11/27/2006, 05:39 PM	#1
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	Time for some Clown Questions :) Hi all, Some background: So of you have seen me around, My name is Carl and I have just started in the clown breeding game. I have a Pair of Percula's that started spawning in the beginning of September. They seem to start immediately fallowing getting a quality light fixture set on timers. Also, after a 120 gal tank move with a new house in July. First batch, total wash, I knew nothing at that time, as you can see I joined RC on 9-10-06 Eggs were laid on back part of overflow and I tried fishing the hatch and failed. I thing I was fishing for something I didn't even know what it looked like. I took advice and got Wilkersons book and the Photoplankton Manual and started with Green water and Rotifers. I fallowed advice from the books and placed a 4in clay pot base in the spot of the spawn immediately fallowing hatch two. Where the pair is still laying eggs today. Second batch total wash, don't think I knew what a rotifer was supposed to look like and fished out about 10 or so Still learning! Batch three was the first to be reared/moved pre hatch and was going good and I brain farted and forgot to plug back in the heater after a cleaning so due to user error I killed more. one for the little guys survived for three days after a 11 degree temp drop, tuff little bugger. Batch four I had a rotifer crash and had Mitch drop some off (thanks again) Along with some T-Iso and wouldn't even take gas money-Super Guy. I also was told bb was possible from the start so I did that and Today they're at 29 days with a count of 14 little buggers. Batch five was better, got about 50-60 survivors now at 15 days and all is well. Feeding had Mostly DT's after a nanno contamination with rotifers-Learned from that one .\ Batch six turned out to be a two day hatch, as some of the earlier hatches and lower temp. 81 Degrees F or so. Having a MH Lighting issue with the Balest so screwed up my temps.\ Well that's my background story and Some of what I learned thus far. Thanks to all on RC for your valuable incite. I was actually feeling guilty jumping everybody else's thread so I figured I'd start my own for future questions. (Sorry Matt ) I can Post pics if anybody wants just let me know and I will. Any questions from newer folks I'll try to help the best I can. Thanks again to all, Carl __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/27/2006, 05:45 PM	#2
gemini aquarius(t) Always Learning Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 4,484	PICS!PICS!PICS!!PIC!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS!PICS! PICS!PICS!PICS!\ PLEASE?? __________________ -Xavier 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers Current Tank Info: 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers

11/27/2006, 05:45 PM	#3
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	Know for the Question....Wondering if it is recommended to keep the eggs with the parents trough hatch in broodstock. I have been moving the eggs the night of the hatch and keeping them in sterilized parent tank water with a heater and an airstone under the heater and on to aerate the eggs. I have been playing around with the intensity of the air and can't seem to get better than 60 or so with a 250-300 eggs nest. IO was just wondering if 60 is good, don't get me wrong it's better than the first three I know, but I have read that rearing can archive better than 90% with I am even close too. Just looking for some incite of experience. Thanks...Carl __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/27/2006, 07:41 PM	#6
gemini aquarius(t) Always Learning Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 4,484	wow thats amazing!!! good luck with the babies! do you have any pictures of the system? __________________ -Xavier 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers Current Tank Info: 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers

11/27/2006, 07:47 PM	#7
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	Not much of a system, as stated in your tread. but here is the origonal rearing tank. Just a 10 gal hex with black constrution paper on the sides and white on the botton, and aiurstone and a heater...Carl __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/27/2006, 06:36 PM	#4
gemini aquarius(t) Always Learning Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 4,484	pictures please? __________________ -Xavier 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers Current Tank Info: 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers

11/27/2006, 07:38 PM	#5
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	Pics as requested: Mama and Papa Papa and Eggs at 3 Days Day 13 Batch #4 Day 2 Batch #5 __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/27/2006, 07:49 PM	#8
saltwater4life1 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Fort Dix, New Jersey Posts: 940	wow nice pictures and like gemini said i too would like to see pictures of your breeding room i wanna get into this breeding thing EDIT nvm you posted some ;D nice tank so your raising them all in there or skipping some? __________________ ~Nick Avatar is my 1969 Roadrunner, 512ci stroker in the works. 55gal Mixed reef but mostly sps :) 5.5gal Mantis shrimp reef tank Current Tank Info: 55gal mixed reef, Lights: 4x54w T5, Filter: Octopus BH2000 skimmer, Flow: Over 3,000gph

11/27/2006, 07:50 PM	#9
gemini aquarius(t) Always Learning Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 4,484	well that does look really simple what do you feed at what ages? and how often and what filtration do you have sorry for all the questions and requests but i really would like to know thanks] xavier __________________ -Xavier 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers Current Tank Info: 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers

11/27/2006, 08:04 PM	#10
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	This is now With hopefully somne changes soon! And the Parent tank: Old Picture, Can't get new-Light are out __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/27/2006, 08:09 PM	#11
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	O' Ya-Current pics of my oldest guys so far-Batch 4 at 28 Days..Carl __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/27/2006, 08:12 PM	#12
gemini aquarius(t) Always Learning Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 4,484	thats sweet is the parent tank the 120/?? also can you explain the 3 tanks please?? __________________ -Xavier 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers Current Tank Info: 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers

11/27/2006, 08:22 PM	#13
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	Yes on the parent is a 120 gal 24x48x24. the three tanks are folr batch 4,5,and 6. at 28 days, 15days and 1 days. Feed is rots/phyto cruched flack/pelet, oto and cyclopeze enriched with selcon and enriched bb shrimp. Rot's only for like 5 days, then bb and others. Check some of the other breeding threads- oynx breeding log from mwp - Awsome info, read the book-Wilkerson Clownfish and search this form. Lot's of info just gotta read,read,read.....Carl __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/27/2006, 08:25 PM	#14
saltwater4life1 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Fort Dix, New Jersey Posts: 940	wow nice pictures so the clowns lay there eggs in the plant thing? and then you remove them and put them in the 10g do the older guys eat the smaller ones? __________________ ~Nick Avatar is my 1969 Roadrunner, 512ci stroker in the works. 55gal Mixed reef but mostly sps :) 5.5gal Mantis shrimp reef tank Current Tank Info: 55gal mixed reef, Lights: 4x54w T5, Filter: Octopus BH2000 skimmer, Flow: Over 3,000gph

11/27/2006, 08:31 PM	#15
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	I was advised to keep them separate, hence the three tanks looking to set up more organized situation so I'll be looking for suggestions. __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/27/2006, 08:42 PM	#16
saltwater4life1 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Fort Dix, New Jersey Posts: 940	hmm yea i'm thinking of making something to hold 3 10g tanks __________________ ~Nick Avatar is my 1969 Roadrunner, 512ci stroker in the works. 55gal Mixed reef but mostly sps :) 5.5gal Mantis shrimp reef tank Current Tank Info: 55gal mixed reef, Lights: 4x54w T5, Filter: Octopus BH2000 skimmer, Flow: Over 3,000gph

11/28/2006, 09:01 PM	#17
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	New Set up Ideas!!! I was Thinking on setting up something a little more organized to make things a little easier. Here's a picture of a tentative sketch of an area in my basement I got authorization to use for the fish. Permission granted on a limited budget, of course-I got a wedding to pay for next fall. Just looking for some input, things I would have done different if I did it again kind of stuff. Particularly with piping and filtration. I did plumbing for 10 years in the past so that's not a problem. Was thinking to have all the 10 gal's piped together with valves to have solitary systems on one system along with tee'd in valves for individual water changes if needed. the two 20 or 30 gal. grow outs on one system I guess, with what type of filters, I may need help with. Do not have the tanks yet so that could have to so with if I get stuff used with the tanks or just get standard glass tanks and drill out for my needs. Any comments and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated....Thanks...Carl __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/28/2006, 11:17 PM	#18
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	Carl, that's a neat little setup and can probably be done very inexpensively. The closed cabinets in the base could generate a lot of heat with the water pump running in there...just a thought that you might need some ventilation fans on that cabinet setup! Matt

11/29/2006, 05:10 AM	#19
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	The cabinets under the tanks don't need to be closed up, just for the picture to get an Idea. Not sure on Filters and pumps but going to have a sump for two 20's at least. Any Recommendations? __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/29/2006, 10:49 AM	#20
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	If you're only doing 2 20's, why not just do something like a 55 gallon and put a divider in it, either removeable or permenant? Matt

11/29/2006, 02:34 PM	#21
MimicTang Moved On Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hartford CT Posts: 1,534	You also might be able to fit another 3rd shelve there too. I'm planning a 3 level and its about 6 and half feet tall.

11/29/2006, 02:37 PM	#22
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	I guess it would be good, For dimensions will matter and thought two systems for possible insolating if a problem arises would be good, I guess basically two of the largest tanks I can fit with removable divider as well. Six of on half dozen of the other I guess. Maybe this all depends on what I can find used. We'll see...Carl __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/29/2006, 04:20 PM	#23
Kathy55g Moved On Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,250	No, a third shelf would likely not be good. one must be able to get in there for cleaning and fish removal.

11/29/2006, 08:26 PM	#24
Kmiec123 Actual CMAS Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NW Side Chicago Posts: 2,633 Blog Entries: 1	My thoughts as well Kathy, Kind of want as much room as possible so the not so fun parts are not made more not so fun ??@?## You get it, Besides if I need more room I have it, unlike some people(Matt ). so I'll just request authorization for more room, better do so before the wedding __________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. Current Tank Info: All-Glass 120 Gal #12348 W/ Dual overflow 48x24x24. Dual 400w MH with VHO atintic. Rod's sump design with old Euro reef skimmer Wife's tank 55 Gal w/cylone Bio-filter #cy194 w/ Sendra 3500 on Skimmer. Korella's for flow.

11/30/2006, 10:32 PM	#25
kerusso316 Moved On Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Around NICE people only/ OT Buss Driver Posts: 1,261	I have the greatest wife.I told her the other day if we run out of grow out room we may need Patricks{10 year old son} room.She sayed " no problebm....we could put Him in the garage".....LOL