Blue Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) Breeding Log

dkim128 · 12/06/2006, 02:22 PM

Don't get your hopes up...I am no where close into breeding them. I just knew I had to start somewhere, after looking at mwp breeding logs I so wanted to start a breeding log, and this seems like a difficult journey that I want to accomplish even though it may take years or even decades. Hopefully less than 20 years is what I'm hoping. Well I won't be able to post any pictures for a while because I have to design the setup for them to spawn in captivity.

Hopefully I didn't disappoint anyone when I started this log. Anyone have any advice hints on breeding of any tangs? I can't find any information regarding the progress of anyone who did try these. My understanding is that they weren't able to past the larva stage.

mwp · 12/06/2006, 02:40 PM

Do you even have the starter fish yet?

Matt

ediaz · 12/06/2006, 02:58 PM

OMG he has created a cult...

Dman · 12/06/2006, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ediaz
OMG he has created a cult...

What should call this new cult?
Loggers?
Should there be some mention to the founder and godfather of logs, Matt?

mwp · 12/06/2006, 03:07 PM

Dman, there's a $50 licensing fee and subsequent larval recoupment clause for using the term "Breeding Log" in the subject of a new post - dkim128, send a cashier's check or money order and your first 100 captive bred fish to my home address...

So seriously, have you even obtained the broodstock? I'm envisioning an above ground swimming pool with a coulpe dozen foot long Blue Heps...could be fun for the neighborhood kids too (but they need to take a freshwater shower and not use any kind of lotions...peeing in that pool is a big no no too!)

Actually, interesting side note...somewhere in the Chicago Metro area I came across a website...someone is proposing a gigantic indoor marine aquarium for scuba / snorklers...I bet a place like that could produce MANY different types of larvae. I wonder if the shed has French Angelfish spawning in their big tank...if they have the larvae I have the Acartia tonsa pods....

So many thoughts...not enough to log...

Matt

mwp · 12/06/2006, 03:09 PM

BTW, I think it was some University in Hawaii that's attempted to raise yellow tangs...that would be the first place to start trying to hunt down info. The larval pics are somewhere on the web.

Matt

sean1 · 12/06/2006, 04:52 PM

I think you would definitly need a huge swimming pool sized tank. All of the wild shots I've seen have been hundreds of tangs spawning at the same time. You probably also have to live in the tropics because of lunar cycles.

dkim128 · 12/06/2006, 07:14 PM

hah- a check has been made to mwp...I'm about 99.9% sure the post office will probably lose it in the mail. But if it does make it to your house remember to cash it at December 31, 3006 or it will bounce. And I will not reimburse you for the bounce check if you did not follow my directions =D.

Also I do not even have any of the broodstock. I thought about obtaining some of the adult tangs, but I've decided I have plenty of time until I start even trying to breed them. Getting back to topic I have looked into some of the Oceanic Institute of Oahu, might even plan on going there for a year, learn a thing or two about being an aquafarmer....sounds like fun, a year of school in a nice tropical place, where the backyard is your personal tank. While learning about the things we enjoy. But it seems that may be a total new life so I might avoid it for now. But their website doesn't list any information on it so I believe I might have to do some contacting.

I was hoping just to have a large tank. If i need some sort of indoor swimming pool I might have to wait years until I could afford that. But can you imagine have an indoor swimming pool which will basically be your extra large lookdown reef tank? It seems I'm just rambling on and on...but if the swimming pool is the only way to go, I will be out of my budget by far and will have to postpone this project for probably another 30 years. Might as well start another breeders log. Might even try beating mwp with his blue dots and mandarins.

mwp · 12/06/2006, 07:22 PM

Knowing how big Blue Heps can get, I really think nothing short of a pond that's several feet deep would work, based on the info at hand. If you were dead set on trying something difficult that has NEVER been done, I'd look for the tang with the smallest adult size and a tank of SEVERAL HUNDRED GALLONS. Of course, I haven't tried it personally, so who knows. But even yellow tangs get like a foot long, right?

Fairy Wrasses....there's one that could work out really well if you played your cards right.

Of course, reality being what it is, mandarins is enough of a difficult task at the moment...great place to start if you want to jump in and get burned for a year or more...

Matt

dkim128 · 12/06/2006, 07:29 PM

Matt you know I will never take your glory in cracking the madarins. I guess I know the next thing to do. Buy a large house that will fit a huge tank....hm....don't want my first project to be a failure. It will be temporaily on hiatus while I await my fortune in the lottery.

natep206 · 12/06/2006, 10:13 PM

yeah id say a huge pond. 50/50 20k/actinic lighting to create the blueness of the ocean. tons and tons of rock. and stock it with a bunch of full grown wild cought blues. feed them the algaes that grow in the areas they were caught in. and have it constantly avalible. like have a seperate tank just for growing algaes.

pretty much simulate there natrual setting as best as possible. it might happen in a couple years after being in the tank together

nate

aomont · 12/06/2006, 10:49 PM

Have you senn this dkim128 ?
http://www.sihawaii.com/sydkraul/tang.html
Anderson.

mwp · 12/07/2006, 12:13 AM

Anderson, that's the link I was thinking of

Matt

Dman · 12/07/2006, 01:14 AM

Cool link, pretty exciting stuff provided you have the resources.

Luis A M · 12/07/2006, 12:29 PM

Yet I think a breeding project shouldnÂ´t be called a breeding log until something spawns...just MO.

A local friend (and RC member)had hepatus spawning in a very large (mostly very long)tank.

mwp · 12/07/2006, 12:43 PM

Luis raises a good point, but I'll contend that a breed project starts the moment you try to pair up the fish

Blue Heps spawning in a big long tank? How Big? How Long?

Matt

Luis A M · 12/07/2006, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mwp
Blue Heps spawning in a big long tank? How Big? How Long?

Matt

Unbelievable 12m long!

But narrow,like a huge corridor.
Pablo M was taking care of it.We could ask him to jump in for details or pics.

aomont · 12/08/2006, 08:27 PM

12 meter long ?????? Wow thatÂ´s impressive !
It would be very interesting if he could talk about it !
Anderson.

Gary Majchrzak · 12/08/2006, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luis A M
Unbelievable 12m long! But narrow,like a huge corridor.
Pablo M was taking care of it.We could ask him to jump in for details or pics.

Please invite him. No more jokers, though.

Luis A M · 12/11/2006, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary Majchrzak
Please invite him. No more jokers, though.

No joking

I saw the tank.
Just found Pablo and asked him to show...
http://reefcentral.com/forums/member...o&userid=26196

Dman · 12/11/2006, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary Majchrzak
Please invite him. No more jokers, though.

No one in this forum ever jokes around, now go back to your URS forum.

Pmesyngier · 12/11/2006, 02:44 PM

Hello I finally appeared!

The aquarium was building at the beginning of 1997 until April, 2001 (when "arrived" the economic crisis to the Argentina, and the owners wanted to disarm it.
The measurements were 12.5m long, 0.67m width, 1m height. Giving a whole of 8400 liters!
It was populated for a great variety of species between; angels, tangs, clowns, butterflies, etc. Recibian a daily abundant nourishment composed by three eaten daily of the major possible variety of dry available food on the market, besides every two or three days they was feeding with fresh food like fish or shimp.
The conduct of the species in general was very different from that of an aquarium of minor dimensions (minor to 1000 liters) already territorial fishes like big surgeons who in a domestic aquarium can manage to kill, here were swimming together, or butterfly fishes like C. auriga, C. ephippium, C. falcula ate scale and fresh spinach together with the surgeons!!

Inside the group of surgeons I had four P. hepatus that always were swimming together. One day after having cleaned the aquarium and changed water (the water was turbid) Observe that two of them struck themselves and one liberate transparent eggs of 1mm of diameter approximately, that lamentably were dragged for currents to a few seconds.Lamentably I could not return to attend such an event.

Here there are some photos of the aquarium

Pmesyngier · 12/11/2006, 02:46 PM

Hello I finally appeared!

The aquarium was building at the beginning of 1997 until April, 2001 (when "arrived" the economic crisis to the Argentina, and the owners wanted to disarm it.
The measurements were 12.5m long, 0.67m width, 1m height. Giving a whole of 8400 liters!
It was populated for a great variety of species between; angels, tangs, clowns, butterflies, etc. Recibian a daily abundant nourishment composed by three eaten daily of the major possible variety of dry available food on the market, besides every two or three days they was feeding with fresh food like fish or shimp.
The conduct of the species in general was very different from that of an aquarium of minor dimensions (minor to 1000 liters) already territorial fishes like big surgeons who in a domestic aquarium can manage to kill, here were swimming together, or butterfly fishes like C. auriga, C. ephippium, C. falcula ate scale and fresh spinach together with the surgeons!!

Inside the group of surgeons I had four P. hepatus that always were swimming together. One day after having cleaned the aquarium and changed water (the water was turbid) Observe that two of them struck themselves and one liberate transparent eggs of 1mm of diameter approximately, that lamentably were dragged for currents to a few seconds.Lamentably I could not return to attend such an event.

Pmesyngier · 12/11/2006, 02:51 PM

Upps! IÂ´m having some problems with the photos

Luis A M · 12/11/2006, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dman
No one in this forum ever jokes around, now go back to your URS forum.

Unstable rebel souls?

12/06/2006, 02:22 PM	#1
dkim128 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 65	Blue Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) Breeding Log Don't get your hopes up...I am no where close into breeding them. I just knew I had to start somewhere, after looking at mwp breeding logs I so wanted to start a breeding log, and this seems like a difficult journey that I want to accomplish even though it may take years or even decades. Hopefully less than 20 years is what I'm hoping. Well I won't be able to post any pictures for a while because I have to design the setup for them to spawn in captivity. Hopefully I didn't disappoint anyone when I started this log. Anyone have any advice hints on breeding of any tangs? I can't find any information regarding the progress of anyone who did try these. My understanding is that they weren't able to past the larva stage.

12/06/2006, 02:58 PM	#3
ediaz Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 1,139	OMG he has created a cult... __________________ The Ediaz I'll just leave it blank

12/06/2006, 10:49 PM	#12
aomont Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Posts: 410	Have you senn this dkim128 ? http://www.sihawaii.com/sydkraul/tang.html Anderson. __________________ "Posso não saber de nada mas suspeito de muita coisa..."

12/07/2006, 01:14 AM	#14
Dman Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,158	Cool link, pretty exciting stuff provided you have the resources. __________________ Prisoner Number 642 On parol for reefkeeping Currently doing "time" in a medium security breeding facility for the terminally insane Current Tank Info: Most days; too damn many

12/07/2006, 12:29 PM	#15
Luis A M Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Buenos Aires,Argentina Posts: 1,652	Yet I think a breeding project shouldnÂ´t be called a breeding log until something spawns...just MO. A local friend (and RC member)had hepatus spawning in a very large (mostly very long)tank. __________________ Luis A M Current Tank Info: I keep about 40 tanks,for breeding and larval raising.Most are 10 gallons.

12/06/2006, 02:40 PM	#2
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	Do you even have the starter fish yet? Matt

12/06/2006, 03:07 PM	#5
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	Dman, there's a $50 licensing fee and subsequent larval recoupment clause for using the term "Breeding Log" in the subject of a new post - dkim128, send a cashier's check or money order and your first 100 captive bred fish to my home address... So seriously, have you even obtained the broodstock? I'm envisioning an above ground swimming pool with a coulpe dozen foot long Blue Heps...could be fun for the neighborhood kids too (but they need to take a freshwater shower and not use any kind of lotions...peeing in that pool is a big no no too!) Actually, interesting side note...somewhere in the Chicago Metro area I came across a website...someone is proposing a gigantic indoor marine aquarium for scuba / snorklers...I bet a place like that could produce MANY different types of larvae. I wonder if the shed has French Angelfish spawning in their big tank...if they have the larvae I have the Acartia tonsa pods.... So many thoughts...not enough to log... Matt

12/06/2006, 03:09 PM	#6
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	BTW, I think it was some University in Hawaii that's attempted to raise yellow tangs...that would be the first place to start trying to hunt down info. The larval pics are somewhere on the web. Matt

12/06/2006, 04:52 PM	#7
sean1 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 195	I think you would definitly need a huge swimming pool sized tank. All of the wild shots I've seen have been hundreds of tangs spawning at the same time. You probably also have to live in the tropics because of lunar cycles.

12/06/2006, 07:14 PM	#8
dkim128 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 65	hah- a check has been made to mwp...I'm about 99.9% sure the post office will probably lose it in the mail. But if it does make it to your house remember to cash it at December 31, 3006 or it will bounce. And I will not reimburse you for the bounce check if you did not follow my directions =D. Also I do not even have any of the broodstock. I thought about obtaining some of the adult tangs, but I've decided I have plenty of time until I start even trying to breed them. Getting back to topic I have looked into some of the Oceanic Institute of Oahu, might even plan on going there for a year, learn a thing or two about being an aquafarmer....sounds like fun, a year of school in a nice tropical place, where the backyard is your personal tank. While learning about the things we enjoy. But it seems that may be a total new life so I might avoid it for now. But their website doesn't list any information on it so I believe I might have to do some contacting. I was hoping just to have a large tank. If i need some sort of indoor swimming pool I might have to wait years until I could afford that. But can you imagine have an indoor swimming pool which will basically be your extra large lookdown reef tank? It seems I'm just rambling on and on...but if the swimming pool is the only way to go, I will be out of my budget by far and will have to postpone this project for probably another 30 years. Might as well start another breeders log. Might even try beating mwp with his blue dots and mandarins.

12/06/2006, 07:22 PM	#9
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	Knowing how big Blue Heps can get, I really think nothing short of a pond that's several feet deep would work, based on the info at hand. If you were dead set on trying something difficult that has NEVER been done, I'd look for the tang with the smallest adult size and a tank of SEVERAL HUNDRED GALLONS. Of course, I haven't tried it personally, so who knows. But even yellow tangs get like a foot long, right? Fairy Wrasses....there's one that could work out really well if you played your cards right. Of course, reality being what it is, mandarins is enough of a difficult task at the moment...great place to start if you want to jump in and get burned for a year or more... Matt

12/06/2006, 07:29 PM	#10
dkim128 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 65	Matt you know I will never take your glory in cracking the madarins. I guess I know the next thing to do. Buy a large house that will fit a huge tank....hm....don't want my first project to be a failure. It will be temporaily on hiatus while I await my fortune in the lottery.

12/06/2006, 10:13 PM	#11
natep206 Blenniella chrysospilos Join Date: May 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 341	yeah id say a huge pond. 50/50 20k/actinic lighting to create the blueness of the ocean. tons and tons of rock. and stock it with a bunch of full grown wild cought blues. feed them the algaes that grow in the areas they were caught in. and have it constantly avalible. like have a seperate tank just for growing algaes. pretty much simulate there natrual setting as best as possible. it might happen in a couple years after being in the tank together nate

12/07/2006, 12:13 AM	#13
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	Anderson, that's the link I was thinking of Matt

12/07/2006, 12:43 PM	#16
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	Luis raises a good point, but I'll contend that a breed project starts the moment you try to pair up the fish Blue Heps spawning in a big long tank? How Big? How Long? Matt

12/08/2006, 08:27 PM	#18
aomont Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Posts: 410	12 meter long ?????? Wow thatÂ´s impressive ! It would be very interesting if he could talk about it ! Anderson. __________________ "Posso não saber de nada mas suspeito de muita coisa..."

12/11/2006, 02:44 PM	#22
Pmesyngier Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 43	Hello I finally appeared! The aquarium was building at the beginning of 1997 until April, 2001 (when "arrived" the economic crisis to the Argentina, and the owners wanted to disarm it. The measurements were 12.5m long, 0.67m width, 1m height. Giving a whole of 8400 liters! It was populated for a great variety of species between; angels, tangs, clowns, butterflies, etc. Recibian a daily abundant nourishment composed by three eaten daily of the major possible variety of dry available food on the market, besides every two or three days they was feeding with fresh food like fish or shimp. The conduct of the species in general was very different from that of an aquarium of minor dimensions (minor to 1000 liters) already territorial fishes like big surgeons who in a domestic aquarium can manage to kill, here were swimming together, or butterfly fishes like C. auriga, C. ephippium, C. falcula ate scale and fresh spinach together with the surgeons!! Inside the group of surgeons I had four P. hepatus that always were swimming together. One day after having cleaned the aquarium and changed water (the water was turbid) Observe that two of them struck themselves and one liberate transparent eggs of 1mm of diameter approximately, that lamentably were dragged for currents to a few seconds.Lamentably I could not return to attend such an event. Here there are some photos of the aquarium __________________ Pablo Javier Mesyngier "MORE BIOLOGY LESS TECHNOLOGY" (John H. Tullock) Current Tank Info: 100 gal Reef for breeding soft and hard corals

12/11/2006, 02:46 PM	#23
Pmesyngier Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 43	Hello I finally appeared! The aquarium was building at the beginning of 1997 until April, 2001 (when "arrived" the economic crisis to the Argentina, and the owners wanted to disarm it. The measurements were 12.5m long, 0.67m width, 1m height. Giving a whole of 8400 liters! It was populated for a great variety of species between; angels, tangs, clowns, butterflies, etc. Recibian a daily abundant nourishment composed by three eaten daily of the major possible variety of dry available food on the market, besides every two or three days they was feeding with fresh food like fish or shimp. The conduct of the species in general was very different from that of an aquarium of minor dimensions (minor to 1000 liters) already territorial fishes like big surgeons who in a domestic aquarium can manage to kill, here were swimming together, or butterfly fishes like C. auriga, C. ephippium, C. falcula ate scale and fresh spinach together with the surgeons!! Inside the group of surgeons I had four P. hepatus that always were swimming together. One day after having cleaned the aquarium and changed water (the water was turbid) Observe that two of them struck themselves and one liberate transparent eggs of 1mm of diameter approximately, that lamentably were dragged for currents to a few seconds.Lamentably I could not return to attend such an event. __________________ Pablo Javier Mesyngier "MORE BIOLOGY LESS TECHNOLOGY" (John H. Tullock) Current Tank Info: 100 gal Reef for breeding soft and hard corals

12/11/2006, 02:51 PM	#24
Pmesyngier Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 43	Upps! IÂ´m having some problems with the photos __________________ Pablo Javier Mesyngier "MORE BIOLOGY LESS TECHNOLOGY" (John H. Tullock) Current Tank Info: 100 gal Reef for breeding soft and hard corals