Which tripod?

[BlueCorn]

There have been several posts asking about tripods lately.


First, a personal rant
There is more to a tripod than just holding the camera still. While that is certainly a primary function, the impact on your photography goes much further than that. When you hand hold your camera you make creative choices based on the speed of the exposure. In an effort to keep the shutter speed fast enough to get a sharp image you let the mechanics of the camera choose your aperture; not the requirements of the scene. It is no different from setting your camera on "Automatic" and pushing the shutter. You are not able to have full creative control because you are allowing the camera to make choices for you. Depth of field can suffer and so do your images. Using a tripod gives you back that creative control. You can choose the exposure combination, that the scene requires, with no concern over the mechanics. If the scene calls for f/16 and 2 seconds, you can use that exposure without compromise.

The other benefit is less tangible. Very simply put, it slows you down. It is much easier to do a thorough job of setting up the scene when you have time on your side. You can scan the edges of the frame looking for distractions and decide whether they should be included in your image or perhaps recomposed out. You can take the time to use the DOF preview button on your camera to make sure that all of the elements that you want in focus really are in focus.

There are areas of photography where a tripod just isn't practical; i.e. sports, wedding and birds in flight. For landscape, architectural, nature and macro work I consider my tripod absolutely essential. You can make good images with nearly any camera but if it's not sharp it's not a good image. Conversely, a cheap unstable tripod can actually be worse on your images than using no tripod at all.

What to look for in a tripod
There are 3 basic qualities that you can shop for when looking for a tripod. The catch is that you can only pick two:


Very stable
Low cost
Light weight


It works like this: If you want a stable, light weight tripod it's going to cost more. Low cost and stable is possible; it'll just be heavy. Get one that's low cost and light weight and it's not going to be very stable. If you keep that concept in mind, while shopping, it'll greatly improve your chance of getting something that will perform well and fit your budget.

Tripod legs generally come in two materials; aluminum and carbon fiber. There are other variations on the carbon fiber models but those are generally the high-end gear; i.e. basalt and magnesium. Carbon fiber is light, very stable but expensive. Aluminum can be very stable but is much heavier.

Picking the right gear
Your height should have a bearing on the model that you select. If at all possible, you want a tripod that puts the camera at your eye level without having to extend the center column. If you already have a tripod here's a little exercise:

Set up your tripod with the center column down and look through the view finder. Tap one tripod leg and watch the vibration. Now extend the column all the way and repeat. All that bouncing around is bad for your image.

Fewer joints in the tripod legs make for a more stable platform but make for a larger collapsed size. It's okay to buy a tripod with 4 section legs, just understand that impacts stability somewhat. Since I travel a lot with my gear, I consider that an acceptable trade-off.

Okay - that covers the legs, what goes on top?
The tripod head should be a separate purchase. Always avoid tripods with non-removable heads. There are a ton of different styles of available. Unless you really like the old style pan and tilt heads get a ball style head. You should also pick one that has some sort of quick-release mechanism. Some use a proprietary plate, many of the better ones use a plate based on the Arca-Swiss design. If it's a hassle to put the camera on and off of the tripod you won't use it.

Some brands to consider
Tripods: Gitzo, in my opinion, is hands down the best but it's very expensive. Manfrotto, Slik, Velbon and Feisol all make good quality, stable, tripods. Avoid import knock-off type legs. I've heard horror stories about many of them. It's not a comforting sight to see the head snap off of your tripod and have your camera smack the ground.

Ballheads: I like and use Really Right Stuff but like Gitzo they're expensive. Kirk, Acratech, Markins and Manfrotto are all viable, reliable options.

My personal setup is a set of Gitzo GT2540 legs and a Really Right Stuff BH-40 LRII head. I also use the Really Right Stuff L-Bracket on the camera and a 79L plate on my 100-400.

One last thing
If you're going to the trouble of using a tripod you should also invest in a remote trigger. It doesn't matter if it's wired or wireless; the key is that you're not touching the camera during the shot. If you don't have a remote trigger, consider using the camera's self-timer feature. If your current tripod is less than stellar, this can make a huge difference in the sharpness of your shots.

I hope that helps.

Cheers

[BlueCorn]

P.S. While everyone has a different budget you should buy the best that you can afford. Just like skimmers, it's cheaper to buy the right one the first time than it is to buy the wrong one first and then buy the right one.

[maxalmon]

Yeap, tripods are just as much a part of the equipment as the body/glass...

I have several that I use depending on what/where I'll be.

right now my main one is a QSX9500, ultra sturdy and stiff, which is important to my as most of my images are macro and lens tilt is a problem.

[BlueCorn]

Not to burst your bubble but you could do MUCH better than that. ;)

[maxalmon]

Hey, still learning and all the equipment is about to be upgraded.... Even though it's not the best, It's sturdy, got it for $50 on sale and it works. Plus It's always in front of the tank and I never take it outside as it's a total beast

[Blazer88]

Good thread Doug. I think people really overlook the importance and convenience of a decent tripod. I went through a cheap (~$50) tripod and absolutely hated it. I purchased Manfrotto 3001pro legs w/488RC2 ball head a few years back and have been MUCH happier. The legs are a little heavier than I would like since they are aluminum but I've been able to hike with them just fine and they fit into carry-on luggage (I frequently travel for work and bring my gear with me, this was important). I have to extent the center column to bring the camera to eye level but larger legs would have been more difficult to fly with. One thing I hated about the cheap tripod is that all of the legs were connected to the center column and couldn't move independently. I found it much better to have each leg move on its own when setting the camera in some strange positions and on uneven ground. A good tripod makes photography a better experience :)

[brians4671]

i walked into radioshack and they had a clearance for 15 bucks. it was my first tripod purchase. honest i never thought so much was in tripods. ive bought my first dslr, macro lens, tripod and shutter release within a 3 weeek period. so as of now im going to be in this cheapo.

[ngn8dogg]

I got a tripod for 30 bucks and its done great for me

[VoidRaven]

Doug, this is an EXCELLENT thread! This should be stickied up top.

The only point I would *partially* disagree with is a tripod for BIF. It can be done, and I've seen it done frequently, BUT the lay of the land and the degree/angle of "in flight" is the variable....along with the head for the tripod (Wimberley gimbal-type tripod heads).

So for the general photographer, no, tripod for BIF isn't truly feasible. But for the more advanced who have money they don't know what to do with, it can be done.

I have a Manfrotto 30001BN w/Manfrotto 3030 3-axis head w/quick release plate. I don't use it nearly as often as I should.

[Wolverine]

Thanks for this thread Doug. I'm just in the process of looking for a decent tripod now.

[BlueCorn]

Certainly if you're using an el-cheapo tripod with your P&S camera and are happy with your results there's no reason to switch. This is really geared toward the DSLR owner who's looking to move their hobby to the next level.

I honestly can't recall the last time I took a nature, landscape or macro image without using a tripod.

[Mchava]

so how does these tripod stack up. B&H has it on sale right now.
Bogen / Manfrotto 190XDB Tripod Legs w/Fixed 484RC2 Mini Ball Head

[BlueCorn]

Manfrotto makes good stuff. That tripod is 50" tall with the center column down and gets to 61" with it all the way up (which you should avoid). If you're no taller than 5'8" it's probably fine.

[kaskiles]

Can you recommend a particular set of legs and head specifically for shooting our Aquariums, assume lowest height setting around 30 inches from the floor and the top shooting height at 5 ft from the floor.

Also, I'd guess we would be using a remote control or timerto pull the trigger, and possibly have a larger front heavy primary lens (medium telephoto macro 2.8).

Should we look for something that can hold one of those macro geared lateral arms:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/284686-REG/Cullmann_CU_3060_3060_Extension_Macro_Geared_Lateral.html

Do we need any special eye piece or lens tip (don't want to tip the tripod into the acrylic and scratch it...) accessories?

Thanks, Kenneth.

[tgreene]

I've used a Bogen 3011 base with a 3025 3-D head for the past 25 years. I also have a small ball head that I prefer to use on a monopod, but will sometimes use it on the 3011.

Being a former photo journalist, I've dragged this setup around with me everywhere, including the 2 years I lived in a tent and worked as a wilderness guide/photographer.

Just for fun, I recently priced the same rig on eBay, and the price is right on par with what I originally paid for it 25 years ago.

Quality is just that! :)

[BlueCorn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13664041#post13664041 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kaskiles
Can you recommend a particular set of legs and head specifically for shooting our Aquariums, assume lowest height setting around 30 inches from the floor and the top shooting height at 5 ft from the floor.

Also, I'd guess we would be using a remote control or timerto pull the trigger, and possibly have a larger front heavy primary lens (medium telephoto macro 2.8).

Should we look for something that can hold one of those macro geared lateral arms:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/284686-REG/Cullmann_CU_3060_3060_Extension_Macro_Geared_Lateral.html

Do we need any special eye piece or lens tip (don't want to tip the tripod into the acrylic and scratch it...) accessories?

Thanks, Kenneth.


In my experience, there is nothing unique about aquarium shooting with respect to your tripod. Nearly every tripod will collapse to 30" so that's really not a concern. I always advocate buying a tripod that fits you when standing straight up. You can always shorten the legs for a lower vantage point.

I've never found a need for a macro rail. As long as your platform is stable it's not that difficult to achieve a good focus.

Cheers

[BlueCorn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13665984#post13665984 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tgreene
I've used a Bogen 3011 base with a 3025 3-D head for the past 25 years. I also have a small ball head that I prefer to use on a monopod, but will sometimes use it on the 3011.

Being a former photo journalist, I've dragged this setup around with me everywhere, including the 2 years I lived in a tent and worked as a wilderness guide/photographer.

Just for fun, I recently priced the same rig on eBay, and the price is right on par with what I originally paid for it 25 years ago.

Quality is just that! :)


That's an excellent example of my rule of tripod selection. While that's a stable, inexpensive setup it weighs a ton. There isn't anything inherently wrong with that.

I do a lot of backpacking and hiking. The difference in weight between that rig and what I use means that I can carry an additional lens. For me it's worth the expense to go for a lighter kit. That's a personal choice, not a recommendation. I actually have an old set of 30*1 legs that I still use but they don't leave the house.

I also don't care for the 3D, pan/tilt head. Again that's personal choice but I don't know a single professional that prefers that over a quality ballhead.

Cheers

[tgreene]

The key to stability, is having beefy legs.

In regards to macro photography specifically, that's where a quality 3-D head can really out perform all others because it has the ability to place the camera body closer to the actual subject.

Tim

[BlueCorn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13666354#post13666354 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tgreene
The key to stability, is having beefy legs.

In regards to macro photography specifically, that's where a quality 3-D head can really out perform all others because it has the ability to place the camera body closer to the actual subject.

Tim


Actually build quality has to do with stability more than shear weight. That's why a cheap carbon fiber tripod isn't generally a good choice.

You're the only one who needs to be happy with your gear choice. ;)

[tgreene]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13666347#post13666347 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
That's an excellent example of my rule of tripod selection. While that's a stable, inexpensive setup it weighs a ton. There isn't anything inherently wrong with that.

I do a lot of backpacking and hiking. The difference in weight between that rig and what I use means that I can carry an additional lens.

I also don't care for the 3D, pan/tilt head. Again that's personal choice but I don't know a single professional that prefers that over a quality ballhead.

1) It certainly does weigh a ton, but as a photojournalist carrying several film camera bodies and various lenses for each, including 200 and 600mm old school APO glass, weight wasn't so much of an issue because it was all in my car.

2) When packing and hiking/climbing/skiing etc, I carry my mono-pod.

3) I'm not referring to pan/tilt head at all, but a very compact 3-D head with fully adjustable segments for exact positioning. For studio work or product photography, this by far beats a traditional ball head due to the simple fact that you can very quickly and easily make indicated and indexed adjustments as needed. I shot professionally for years, which is why I have and use this head. I'll agree with you completely in regards to a pan/tilt head being total crap though! ;)

-Tim

[tgreene]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13666393#post13666393 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
Actually build quality has to do with stability more than shear weight. That's why a cheap carbon fiber tripod isn't generally a good choice.
Absolutely, but then I never considered carbon fiber as being "beefy" either... It makes for great fishing and ski poles however! :D

-Tim

[BlueCorn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13666420#post13666420 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tgreene
Absolutely, but then I never considered carbon fiber as being "beefy" either...

My Gitzo is. ;)

[tgreene]

BTW: Here's the 3025 3-D head... If you're not familiar with it, you'll see that it can easily twist and conform to any conceivable angle, including upside down. It does however take some getting used to! :)

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/site/bius/pid/6780?kindOfProductCollectionRequest=productDetail&productCode=3025&productDescription=3-D%20HEAD&curBrandId=MAN&market=MKT1

[BlueCorn]

Yeah - I'm familar with it. We have a different frame of reference. I don't do studio/product work. It's all nature photography in the field. In my genre it's all high-end carbon fiber and a ballhead.

For studio work it's a completely different set of requirements.

Cheers

[tgreene]

I haven't bought a tripod or tripod add-on in 25 years, and back then I don't even recall carbon fiber being an option...

My monopod (Groschupp GCS 1800) w/ removable Groschupp ball is what I used and continue to use as a portable stability device. The other thing however, is being a competitive marksman, I've also learned to significantly reduce my heart rate and stop breathing when I take a shot... The same holds true with photography. Oddly enough, while the lens companies are striving for smaller more lightweight and portable lenses, it's come at a cost, because we can no longer use our arms and legs to create a platform of stability that was anywhere near what e could previously do w/ large bulky lenses.

About all I ever do these days is product or macro photography, but in the 80's I was working for Knight-Ridder, AP and a host of other publishers. During the mid-late 80's I shot a lot of sports all around Cleveland (including some pro), and was even selected to shoot the 89 World Canoe and Kayak Championships for AP out of Baltimore.

Once upon a time I carried 3 Maxxum-9000 bodies everywhere I went, with each having a different ISO film inside. I quit working professionally when I was informed that I would have to begin shooting color... Being a purist, it wasn't happening! ;)

-Tim

[bored4long]

Doug, thanks for doing this thread. I think I'm going to take advantage of the live.com cashback and pick up legs and head on ebay.

I've decided on the Manfrotto 055xprob legs, because they taller and sturdier than the 190 legs.

I'm torn between the 322rc2 and 488 ballhead. Can you offer advice between the two of these? I think the 322rc2 would be strong enough for any camera/lens combo I put on it. I'm leaning towards the 488, since it would be easier to pan with that one.

My photos will primarily be macros of the tank and portrait. Thanks!

[BlueCorn]

I've never cared for the "grip" heads but that's just personal preference. If it was me choosing between those two I'd get the 488 as well.

[TitusvileSurfer]

I use the 488CR2 myself and love it, but I want Doug's Gitzo. :D

[xtra-salty]

I am currently in the market for a tripod to support my D700. The D700 weighs in around 35 oz. and my heaviest lens is a AF-S NIKKOR 14-24mm f/2.8G ED @ 35.3oz (close to 4.5 lbs total). I am trying to stay between $400~$600, possibly closer to 4. I would prefer a heavier setup and a bigger collapsed size if it can keep the price down....and also I am 6'1" so i need something tall. I mainly shoot outdoors and some macro shots of fish/animals,etc. I took a look at the 488CR2 because of the comments about it and it seems like it would work for a good price, but man am I stuck on deciding what legs. Ive also been looking at Gitzo options but not sure f I can fit it into my price range. Any experts care to push me in the right direction? I would appreciate it!

[BlueCorn]

This would be a decent choice. It's aluminum so it's cheaper than fiber and you'd only have to extend the center column about half way. Your height eliminates a bunch of them.

Manfrotto 055XB (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/504846-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_055XB_055XB_Tripod_Legs_Black_.html)

That head is a decent choice as well.

Cheers

[xtra-salty]

Thanks for your help. I started to notice my height was becoming a deciding factor on alot of these tripod legs.

So that combo takes me under budget, so I keep browsing around and always seem to end up looking at this head GH1780 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart&A=details&Q=&sku=562405&is=REG#features). I like the independent pan and tilt locks for shooting panoramas.
I can only imagine the injustice of putting this head on a cheap set of legs though...

[BlueCorn]

I love my Gitzo legs but haven't been fond of their heads. I love my Really Right Stuff head I've got the BH-40LRII but the BH-25 supports up to almost 9 lbs.

BH-25 (http://reallyrightstuff.com/rrs/items.asp?Cc=Ballhead25&iTpStatus=0&Tp=&Bc=)

[dc]

Well I hate messing with my tripod. (came with my sony f-717) so I bought a monopod for a little stability. I got a Manfrotto 334B Automatic Monopod. And a 234RC quick release head. I figure it's a step up from not using anything. :D

[BlueCorn]

Nice Debi. You're correct that anything that you can do to stabilize yourself is a step in the right direction. A monopod can be really handy for shooting sports (or anything else that moves). They can also be great for public places that don't typically allow tripods, like museums, aquariums, etc.

They don't lend themselves very useful to my style of shooting but that's just me.

Cheers

[Jar*Head]

What do you guy think about this tripod Velbon I716H
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f123/NgoSH0311/VelbonsupershooterI716H.jpg

[BlueCorn]

The legs are "okay." The geared column doesn't have any way to lock it down so it's not going to be very stable with it extended. That head also wouldn't be my first choice. It really looks like it's designed to be a video tripod versus photo.

[Jar*Head]

Damn just order it lastnight. I have the same problem with the other tripod

[BlueCorn]

I just added this to the first post, it'll definitely help in your case:

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If you're going to the trouble of using a tripod you should also invest in a remote trigger. It doesn't matter if it's wired or wireless; the key is that you're not touching the camera during the shot. If you don't have a remote trigger, consider using the camera's self-timer feature. If your current tripod is less than stellar, this can make a huge difference in the sharpness of your shots.

[Jar*Head]

Thanks Doug, the remote trigger is my next purchase. My old Velbon is mainly for Video. The reason i bought the newer Velbon and cost twice as much because it seems stronger plus they got my weakness by saying great for 35mm DSLR :D. I will look into purchase the ballhead

[dc]

LOL, I like that kind of head myself. Mine looks much like that and is a quick release, as is my tripod that I never use. :D I am finding I will grab this monopod way more than I'll set up my tripod. My camera came with a remote. Haven't been anywhere to use it yet.

[Jar*Head]

I did some research lastnight on the Gitzo tripod. Doug, you have such a expensive taste :D but the tripod looks very nice though. I will saving up for it.... BTW, i canceled my other tripod order.

[BlueCorn]

If you don't want to break the bank, and don't mind a little extra weight, you could pick up a set of Manfrotto 190 series legs. That and a nice head would do fine. I love my Gitzo but a $650 tripod isn't for everyone.

[Jar*Head]

Doug,
why settle with something that you are not fully happy with :D. I am saving up for the Gitzo. Just like reefing, i don't want to keep on upgrade....

[xtm]

Doug, can you recommend a "budget" Manfrotto/ballhead setup from B&H? I don't mind if it's heavy, just looking for a stable and reliable setup. My camera/lens is about 5 lbs and I'm thinking at least 4 ft high would be ideal.

Also, can I shoot in portrait orientation using a ballhead or do you guys suggest I buy an L-bracket?

thanks

[maddog10]

One additional thing to consider when getting a tripod for aquarium photography is how reflective the legs are. Silver/aluminum can show in a photo if the lighting isn't just right. Consider black, grey, brown or dark green when shopping.

I also strongly suggest you go to a store to try out the heads (or order from a store with good return policy). Some will just feel more comfortable than others. Make sure it has the features you are looking for and attach YOUR camera and lens to it while you try it in the shop.

[BlueCorn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14183166#post14183166 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by xtm
Doug, can you recommend a "budget" Manfrotto/ballhead setup from B&H? I don't mind if it's heavy, just looking for a stable and reliable setup. My camera/lens is about 5 lbs and I'm thinking at least 4 ft high would be ideal.

Also, can I shoot in portrait orientation using a ballhead or do you guys suggest I buy an L-bracket?

thanks

Take a look at the Manfrotto 190 series. The 486RC2 is okay for the price but it's definitely no-frills.

[dendronepthya]

I just picked up my compact tripod kit. It consists of:
Gitzo 1550T legs
Markins Q3 Ball Head
http://www.markinsamerica.com/MA5/images/Q3T.jpg

Really Right Stuff B2 LR II Clamp
http://reallyrightstuff.com/mmRRS/Images/full/B2LRII.gif

Pretty well made stuff compared to the $30 walmart tripod I used to use.

[BlueCorn]

:thumbsup:

I love my RRS gear. Did you get an L-Bracket too?

[dendronepthya]

I didn't pick up the L-bracket. The reviews I heard from others were very positive but I thought it would be just too bulky for my taste. Is it used primarily for portrait orientation?

[BlueCorn]

It's for both orientations. It also allows you to switch back and forth very quickly. Spend the extra money - you won't regret it.

[RyanEG]

Doug,

I just wanted to thank you for your posts in the Lounge about my newly acquired gear. I used the POS tripod that I bought for a grand total of about 25 shots and decided that it is grossly inadequate for holding anything other than a P&S.

My Gitzo G1325 legs with a G1318 rapid column is due to be shipped tomorrow. I even decided on that without reading this post, this is actually the first time Ive ventured into this board.

I do have a question though, for taking nature photos and aquarium photos(probably more nature than aqua) what would your choice in heads be? Im looking at either the RRS BH-55 maybe even BH-40 or something that will handle the weight of a 500mm lense(thats my next purchase). Any furthur help would be wonderful.

[BlueCorn]

For that set of legs I think that the 40 would be a good fit. You want to make your gear fit what it's going to be doing most of the time. The 40 will hold up just fine for occasional use on the 500. If the 500 is going to be your primary lens I'd probably get the 55.

Cheers and welcome to this side of RC.

[xtm]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14190028#post14190028 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
Take a look at the Manfrotto 190 series. The 486RC2 is okay for the price but it's definitely no-frills.

Doug,
I actually ended up with the 190CX3 (not the pro3) and the 486RC2.. exactly what you recommended. lol but man, this combo does everything I need it to do.. and at about 4lbs, it's light enough to carry on hikes! I like how I can remove the centre column entirely.. it shaves a few ounces.
I was so close to buying the Gitzo mountaineer at B&H but the twist lock mechanism made me stop since I'm not familiar with it.

The 486RC2 doesn't have the separate lever for panning but I don't need that feature anyways. This is good for now.

The "only" beef I have with the RC2 plate is that it's somewhat bulky and heavy. Can you recommend a flatter, lighter, and less obtrusive quick release plate/ballhead combo that doesn't stick out on the bottom of my camera body?

thanks

[BlueCorn]

Sure. You can actually get a Really Right Stuff clamp that fits the top of that ballhead. (I have one on my "emergency" tripod in the trunk of my car.) I love their L bracket and clamp system and would hate to ever have to give it up.

[Steve Ruddy]

I have a Giottos MT9371 with a MH1301 ball head. It is the steel model which I like for its extra weight. I did look at Manfrotto tripods but personally didn't like them or their price. The Giottos brand also makes the same design in carbon fiber if you need to lug it around a lot. Personally when I go on walks I'll take the Giottos monopod. Nice thread Beerguy. I would highly recommend anyone looking for a professional tripod give Giottos a look. The model I have is able to get the camera on the ground for macro work which is not an option with a lot of tripods.

[BlueCorn]

Giottos does sell some decent gear, the only real issue is that you have to be a little careful. They're a distributor, not a manufacturer so the quality can vary wildly.

Cheers

[SteveM10]

Can you please tell me what you think of this combination.

Bogen - Manfrotto 190CX3 3 Section Carbon Fiber Tripod Legs
Cullmann CU40200 High Load Magnesit Ball Head 35 with 40490 Deluxe Plate

I've read a lot of good things about them but wanted to know how well they would work together.

[BlueCorn]

They should work just fine together.

Cheers

[ludnix]

I'm currently using a $50 cheap tri-pod and it definitely is constraining my ability to take certain shots. My biggest complaint that even with the center extended all the way it only reaches slightly above eye-level. It's definitely not very sturdy as well, but in most cases that hasn't been an issue as much as the height.

I'm not taking photos at level that would justify a $500 for a tripod, but what are some taller tri-pods that would work well on a casual level? Out of the three options on the OP, I'd chose low cost, and stability, weight isn't a real concern for me.

[BlueCorn]

The Manfrotto 190 series is a really good choice for a solid tripod at a reasonable price. It's available in aluminum as well as carbon fiber.

[Aadler]

How would you rate the 486rc2 vs 804rc2?

804 weighs .7lbs more.

Someone was just talking about not being able to pan with the 486, wasnt sure if that would be a problem for me or not.

[BlueCorn]

The 804 is a pan/tilt head the 486 is a Ball head. Both will work, and it's largely a matter of personal preference, but I find a ball head much more practical. To me, having to independently adjust 3 axis is a real hassle. It's try that the 486 has no true panning lock it's still quite possible to use like that. The 488 is also an option.

The only reason why I recommend the 486 is that it's a fairly stable, low cost head. There are lots of other options available if you're willing to spend more money.

Cheers

[Aadler]

Would it be too risky to give the adorama flashpoint carbon fiber tripods/ballheads a go?

My only experience with store-brand stuff is Gander Mountain fishing rods/reels and they are shimano or some pretty decent brand reel/rod company rebranded, I assume this is what the adorama tripods are as well, if thats the case the only thing i dont like about it is the 4 legs. but at almost 1.5 lbs lighter than the 190 legs... I am a backpacker so that is nice, since it is the same price.

[BlueCorn]

I don't have any direct experience with them. My hunch is that they're rebranded knock-offs, probably Benro -- just like Amvona/Dynatran, Induro. If I were to go that route I'd trust the legs a lot more than the head. For backpacking the Really Right Stuff BH-25 is a slick little head.

[Aadler]

I read a review that said they might be slik.

I was thinking of maybe going with the flashpoint legs and the 484 or 486. I think I am ok with not opening up the smallest section of legs, and it sounds like they are pretty stable if you don't. plus adorama gives them a 5yr warrenty, that has to say something no?

Guess ill give a review come mid august how they hold up in the backcountry :c/

[Aadler]

must say first impressions are very positive. More than I was expecting, since I never actually got to see one in person. Does seem to be a bit of vibration when fully extended, but that is to be expected with the four legs.

Will get to try it out at arlington this friday.

[Mchava]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13661882#post13661882 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mchava
so how does these tripod stack up. B&H has it on sale right now.
Bogen / Manfrotto 190XDB Tripod Legs w/Fixed 484RC2 Mini Ball Head

Well folks just wanted to stop by and say thanks for all the help. I finally bought a decent tripod. I went ahead and bought this set up. Since its discontinued, I got it at a great deal. I also bought the canon 50mm f1.8 lens and a wireless remote. I am off to tryout my new set up. Just wanted to stop by and thank you all.

[aquariumclown]

Nice Mario, I just bought a Manfrotto too.

[MeuserReef]

All, what do you think about the following combo:

D5000 / Manfrotto 055XPROB / 486CR2 Ball head

I dont see myself ever owning any lens longer/heavier than perhaps the 55-200mm. Im 6' tall, which ruled out the 190XPROB. My budget is <$300 for the tripod and the head. Is there a "better" system that I should be comparing to the 55/486?

[BlueCorn]

If that's your budget, I think your choice looks fine. ;)

[MeuserReef]

Thanks Doug. The link you provided to Don Simth's site has been very helpful too (articles)

[DetectiveTofu]

Doug, do the manfrotto 190's have a stability hook, or something similar? I am looking into this and the RC82 ballhead ... can that shoot on portrait orientation?

[BlueCorn]

Sorry, I don't recall off the top of my head but it would surprise me if it didn't have an option to hang your bag or a weight. I've actually found a counterweight to sometimes cause a loss of stability. The problem is that in windy conditions, the weight can swing, causing the whole rig to move. It can be helpful in some conditions but I wouldn't consider it's absence to be a deal breaker.

I'm not familiar with that head. Link?

I'm actually not aware of any head that doesn't allow you to switch to portrait. If that's something that you envision yourself doing a lot you should really consider some sort of L-bracket solution. Really Right Stuff, Kirk Enterprises and Novaflex all make them and most can be used with any head that supports an Arca-Swiss quick release plate.

Cheers

[DetectiveTofu]

Sorry Doug, I meant the Manfrotto 486RC2 Ball Head. I am debating between the Manfrotto 190XB ($129), and the 190XDB ($98). Do these tripod legs have a hook for stability? I cannot tell by the picture, or description ... it seems silly to me that any tripod would be without a hook!

[DetectiveTofu]

Does anyone know if the Manfrotto 190XDB comes with a stability hook?

[Reffer831]

what is the best tri pod under 300 for a Rebel T2i with a 100mm macro? needs to be able to do top downs.

[flyyyguy]

what is the best tri pod under 300 for a Rebel T2i with a 100mm macro? needs to be able to do top downs.



with that budget...........im pretty pleased with my Slik Master classic tripod with a Manfrotto 3265 head

roughly $100 for the tripod and $140 for the head I think I paid.

edit- funny......I thought I was replying to a single post I clicked on from the main page and realized we are on page 4 :)

[xtm]

Hey guys,

I posted 2 yrs ago that I bought a Manfrotto 190CX legs.. it was great and I used it for 2 yrs with no problems. While the 190 was a great pod, I found that it's a bit too big and bulky for my trips. Well I recently sold it so I can get a.... Gitzo :D

I'm strongly leaning towards the GT1541T. Any experiences/comments on this legs? How are the twist locks compared to the flip locks? I'm thinking about pairing it with Markins Q3T and an L-bracket for the D700.

I better get the Gitzo asap before Dogfish Head and Singh-Ray drains all my money! :lol:

[BlueCorn]

I've been using the slightly heavier version (GT2541) for a couple years and really like it. At least in my experience, the twist locks are faster. I haven't used the Markins head but I highly recommend an L-bracket; them make all the difference.

[xtm]

thanks Doug. I'm doing some reading on 1541 vs 2541... What made you decide on the 2541?

[BlueCorn]

It's just a little heavier duty. The other specs. are pretty close.

[amehel0]

most of the time you will find a tripod able to hold 4kg with a 3way pan and tilt head works great. generally brands arent so important when dealing with such light loads. most brands use a 1/4" thread so most heads are interchangeable inbetween brands. i currently have a velbon sherpa 200r and qb-157 head. great combo for most photography. i also use a macro slider with it. it supports a 5d and 180mm lens so a fair bit of weight. quick release is great particularly with multiple lenses i can switch a lens in 30secs and its more safe. also find the best point of balance with your setup. sometimes youll have the body attached sometimes the lens.

[kissman]

Manfroto=stable and light

[BlueCorn]

Manfroto=stable and light

That's not an automatic thing. Many are very heavy.

[kissman]

That's not an automatic thing. Many are very heavy.


not once you get into the carbon fiber talking like 6-7lbs thats not heavy when a lot of the tripods are 14lbs. You have to have some weight in order fro it to be stable. Now if you want something like a kodak tripod that only supports like a point and shoot camera you can get one that ways 2lbs but then it will move if the wind blows. Will do do you good if you are using a slow shutter speed and will be top heavy

[BlueCorn]

My 4lb Gitzo holds my gear just fine. Maybe you should actually read the thread. ;)

[kissman]

My 4lb Gitzo holds my gear just fine. Maybe you should actually read the thread. ;)

I did read the thread and the start was pick 2 of 3 I picked stable and light! My 7lb manfroto with a gitzo ball head works just fine for me, its light and stable. Glad you like your gitzo, I might have gone with one if I could have found a camera store in the area that actually had gitzo tripods. I have a friend that has a gitzo ball head on a manfroto tripod and i liked it and thats what I went with. Because thats what I could try. I also have a Manfrotto Monopod so I knew that Manfrotto made good quality stuff.

[Ltlduc]

Hi guys.
It's been a while since I've been here. Doug is right. A good CF tripod is super sweet to work with. Gitzo is great and so is Manfrotto. I've had both. Until you try a Really Right Stuff. New League! But the key is just to get something your comfortable with that is really stable. The head makes a big difference as well.

Kit
Nikon D300
Nikon D3X
105 Macro VR
14-24
16-35 VR
24-70
70-200 VR2
TC20 Teleconverter
Gitzo Traveler W RRS BH30 Ballhead
Really Right Stuff TVC24 W RRS BH40 Ballhead

[Hernandezj11]

Hello everyone.
Does anyone have experience with this tripod?
http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?skuId=8480636&pid=1185268654383&catId=&ev=prodView#product-overview-open

[BlueCorn]

That is not a good tripod. That fits the category of possibly being worse than no tripod at all. The problem is that because it's a tripod you expect it to be stable; it's not.

If you read the first post in their thread you should be able to pick the right one for you. (hint , they don't sell it at BestBuy)

[Hernandezj11]

See thats the problem, I have over $100 dollars at best buy and thought i could use it for this. I read a lot of the post here and I know its cheaper to buy an expensive/ quality now then buying a cheap one and having to buy another one. This puts me in pickle :(. I respect everyone's imput. In your opinion do u see any of the best buy tripods worth it?

[jbliss]

I got a tripod from Walmart for dirt cheap that was 42" high.

[BlueCorn]

I got a tripod from Walmart for dirt cheap that was 42" high.

You overpaid.

[JBen]

Good read on the importance of tripods. With regards to all the various equipment you might want for photography when it comes to accessories I consider my tripods to be second most important, with filters ranking at the top. Meaning I never leave home without my filters, my tripods (yes plural) I may/may not carry with me.

I see lately people discussing is a pods maximum load capacity and weight. I think when looking to buy, it's critically important to buy with an eye to the future. If you start acquiring more and or better lenses and bodies, your tripod and head need to be able to accommodate that. That manfrotto you bought 3 years ago that did the job for your rebel and 70-300, suddenly won't hold your new 5D and 70-200 f2.8.

Another consideration is the weight of the pod/head. If your like me, the weight you lug around on any given day becomes a priority. It's nothing for me, most days I'm out shooting to be carrying 30 to 40 pounds of camera gear and that before the pod. If Im on assignment and Im loaded for bear, that easily jumps to 60-70 pounds. Any ounce I can save I will. Good Carbon Fibre pods are a god send.

Spend where you have to, save where you can.
Regardless of your budget, get the best pod you can. Do you "need" an $800 Gitzo Carbon?
No. But get the best you can, because it allows for growth amongst other things. Maybe you don't own any 4pound or 8 pound bricks (lenses) but one day you might and if your pod can't hold it (not talking collapse, but vibrations) and if your head can't handle it (creep), you 'will' be upgrading something you didn't to.

Alternatives in a pinch. Worth owning imo.
Gorilla pods are handy. I picked one up as an light weight in a pinch pod. The heavier model can hold my Gimbal head (4 pounds) + 1D (4pds) + 800mm (10pds). They fit easily in almost any pack/bag and can be exploited when weight and bulk are issues (travel), day hikes, bike rides...Plus due to their nature they make fantastic pods for Macro photography.

[Misled]

I have a couple of these.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q68/jllndmb/Reef/DSC_1799.jpg

I've used these since my film days. I like to use them as a chest pod when out and about. Also very stable. My macro carry.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q68/jllndmb/Reef/DSCN7259.jpg

[JBen]

I've looked at those as well Jesse.
As much as I agree that a good pod is important, there are times when it's simply not feasible to carry my Gitzo due to weight restrictions, or bulk. So I am always looking at alternatives that while not as stable as my gitzo, they can be packed and carried easily.
Canoe trips, kayaking, when fly fishing/wading rivers, bushwhacking, bike riding etc.

I went with the heavy Gorilla Pod, if my memory serves me right it's rated for 12kg. I didn't believe it until I mounted 18 pounds on it, and let it sit for an hour and the articulated legs held (after careful positioning). Then I mounted my 180 macro and flash bracket sand with the flash out and over its very front heavy, and started twisting the legs around anything I could find..Chair legs, limbs etc. Again it took some positioning (my macro rig is close to 10pds) but not due to the legs creeping, but rather needing to counter balance the lens and flash heads against the body so the entire unit (pod/body/lens) wouldn't spin on an axis.

Ive also found that the Gorilla pods come in handy when I'm out in the bush and need flash/light stands for remote triggering. I can attach the Gorilla to a branch, post, or sit it on a rock/ground and have my flashes fire remotely. Basically a very good "in a pinch" pod and compliment to my heavier pods/gear.

[jezuz!]

what are peoples thoughts on the manfrotto 055XPROB Pro? quality wise, is it worth the money

[BlueCorn]

Yes, that's a nice midrange tripod. It's quite stable and should last you many years.

[kissman]

I almost bought that and decided to go with the 190CXPRO3

[marcgrantphoto]

I'm a professional photographer by trade and I never shoot with a tripod due to constraints on creativity. With many of the newer point and shoots as well as DSLR's there's really no reason for a tripod. When you shoot in manual, you control ALL aspects of the photo by choice of ISO, shutter speed and aperture. I also shoot exclusively natural light both indoors and out so lighting shouldn't be an issue either. A well lit tank provides more than enough light and hand-holding a short, macro lens shouldn't be a problem for the majority of you out there unless you have shakes or tremors.

Happy shooting!

[SantaMonica]

I have the Targus 660TR and my first, and have nothing to compare it to. I must say, however, that even I would appreciate if the upper part would pan left/right. The way it is now, you have to rotate all 3 legs, which does not work well when the legs are in tight spots.

[Clamagore]

I'm a professional photographer by trade and I never shoot with a tripod due to constraints on creativity. With many of the newer point and shoots as well as DSLR's there's really no reason for a tripod.

If everybody photographed the same subjects as you, in the same style, with the same camera, sure, a tripod might never be required. Personally, I avoid using a tripod like the plague, but it's sometimes necessary to achieve certain results. Once again, it depends.

I agree a tripod can interfere with the process, but when used wisely, it can expand one’s options. For example, it would have been virtually impossible for me to create the image below, with that quality, sans tripod.

Specifically regarding this thread, I recommend that a prospective tripod user looks for the highest quality tripod and head they can afford, so that they can depend on it when needed, for many years to come. Many inexpensive tripods can be more frustrating than they're worth. Five years ago, I picked up a Gitzo with a Markins ballhead, and I doubt I'll ever buy another tripod again.


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/factisfiction/7458744128/" title="i can see why people get hooked on this by frank maiello, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8156/7458744128_239779dd1b_b.jpg" width="1024" height="681" alt="i can see why people get hooked on this"></a>

[BlueCorn]

Absolutely, your shooting style should be the driver in whether you need camera support. I'm primarily a landscape shooter, for me aperture is everything and low light is the normal rather than the exception. In those situations, to hand hold, I'd have to comprise my aperture selection to ensure I'm able to keep the camera sufficiently still. The moment I have to choose an aperture based on my ability to hold the camera vs what the scene requires, I've given up artistic control; i.e. I'm less creative. Because of how I shoot, I rarely take a serious shot without my Gitzo.

Cheers

[Acrid Dragon]

I'm not sure I know what do you exactly need, but on Highend beauty retouching website I'm sure there is something)
I read there a nice article about how to pick up a camera for a different purposes, maybe it'llhelp you)