Vortech MP40 - Gyre 150 - Jebao RW for 48x20x20 DSB-LPS tank
 

What do you think the best solution for the movement of a tank 48x20x20 with 3.5 DSB

he aquarium is willing rest against the wall on the short side, I would have the two long sides and one short clear view without pumps

only LPS corals and few SOFT corals


These are the possible solutions:

1 vortech MP40
2 vortech MP40
2 jebao RW8
1 maxpect gyre 150

otherwise...:sad1:


THANKS

Im very new to saltwater. (but many years of freshwater) Recently set a 200 Litre tank. I have Jebao dc 2000 for sump and RW-4. They both works great. I love the wave modes of rw4. Cheap, silent and strong... I think Jebao one of the best option on wave makers if you consider price/efficency. Also saving energy.

my first idea was put on the short side two jebao rw 8...then I thought at maxpect gyre... vortech never excluded..

so... I'm very undecided..

I think you achieve good flow with 1 Gyre XF150 mounted horizontally on the short side. Would that be possible with your overflows, etc? You'd get great water flow all across the tank. My second option would be for 2 MP40s, but that would be a lot of money to achieve the same thing.

so, you're saying that one maxpect gyre it's like two vortech mp40?

for a lps or softy tank

u could do either of them

problem with one pump or gyre is no back up just incase it goes out

so, if I need two, one gyre it's not enough for a tank 48 inch long with lps? maxpect completely failed product..:)
I don't think..obviously two it'll be ever better.. but for my case.. I think it'll be enough one..

My vote is for option 2.

In certain cases, it could work. If you had SPS, I'd vote for more flow. Since all your pumps are going one 1 wall of the aquarium, I think the gyre would be enough flow and not destroy corals in its path as a vortech on high speed would do.

I have both, I don't think either one is enough for your tank. The maxspect is just to linear by itself.

I'm a huge proponent of the gyre, having two myself (and having used most other pumps out there). I think that your tank would be better served by two MP40s on the side facing the wall.

I say this because your tank is going to be mostly LPS. The Gyre, in my opinion, is better for SPS tanks as ghostman mentioned. With the MP40s pushing the length of the tank, you'll have about 8 inches directly in front of them where you won't be able to keep anything. The rest of the tank (depending on your rockwork) should get some nice flow.

Plus, with the new MP40 QDs, they'll be 40% stronger and nearly silent.

I have an sps and lps tank and sold my mp40s after I got the gyre 150. Mine is vertical because of my corner overflows. Full poly extension all day. It's awesome

seeing the video and after reading the technical of the maxpect gyre I thought was perfect for my idea: Dsb+ lps specially euphyllia species, heliofungia, catalaphyllia ecc.. but obviously I thought to seek advice from people who already owns.. you confirm my idea but as you can read up.. other advise me vortech :rollface: because for their,these are more indicated for my tank....as always, everyone has their own idea, and the choice remains dubious ..

sincerely, the new vortech are really awesome.. the only problem that this pump had was the noise (and directionality but large flow hide this problem ) now they reach almost the perfection..
but, the price, rest to high, people needing two in Europe have to pay 800,00 € and onestly it's a big big problem for Pocket in this time... :rolleyes:

but one thing it's not clear.. I think that the flow of Gyre is enough wide to be perfect for lps.. instead how you say, it's better with sps... here I was a little surprised.. perhaps the flow of the gyre in reality is strong and perfect for keeping Sps.

I won't keep sps, but only Lps.
as you wrote, I thought the same thing.. flow of gyre maybe more large and diffused so perfect for my lps..

it's not too much for a lps tank in 48"?

You can make the flow in your tank very chaotic two MP40. My gyre can't do that.

Mike Mike.. I don't need :uhoh3: chaotic flow in my tank.. I need soft and diffused flow..:smurf:

Frank, Frank.. Diffused is just chaotic on a slower setting. And I have never seen a tank, even softie, that has been healthy with a SOFT flow.

Mike I didn't understand

I have a similar sized tank (standard 90g), and I switched out 2mp 40s on opposite sides for 1 gyre. It works great. My rock work creates randomness in the current and I use the gyre on switching mode, so it goes on reverse every 20 min. Plenty of randomness. The only spot I can say that lacks flow, is the corners directly beneath the gyre. OH well... no 100% solution except to live in the ocean!

I don't understand well the reverse mode.. while I can confirm that, from the video I've seen, the water under the pump is not moved like the other part of the tank..

Well the gyre flow is round and the tank is square. I accept the square peg round hole philosophy as an excuse for a little dead spot in the bottom corners. LOL!

Reverse mode just spins the motor backwards, the GPH is a lot weaker but does add a little randomness. I'd honestly say the reverse power is about 50% of the normal mode. SO my setting is 30% forward (anymore I start pushing sand on the far side) and 60% reverse.

For LPS I would put a gyre vertically on the back wall and run it alternating mode. The standard use would create too much flow for LPS and softies in a 48" tank, but pulse mode might work at a lower %. I would try both, but remember when using alternating mode you have to replace the one side. People got all upset about reverse mode but didn't read instructions saying you have to use the other paddle, pretty much makes it so one side moves water at a time, perfect for this IMO.

I have three side free.. two long side and one short side so I have to put the pumps in orizontal mode. if it is too high flow I'll reduce the power or isn't possible?

in fact in the video when the owner start the reverse mode on gyre the flow seems completely stopped

Yes you can turn down the power. I like the gyre because you have so many options. I really like the pulse setting for my LPS. Really gets the guys "waving".

at this point two are the options:

go with one 150 or 170

in both way, I'll wait for new silent support

48" long LPS and softies, no way I would do a 170. The 150 on my 48" 120 is really strong. I run it 100% on pulse mode for SPS, but have lps on the bottom and have to move them behind rock work or SPS colonies or they get too much flow.

so (sorry if seem that I don't understand every, but my English it's not so good..) you're saying that 150 it's talready already high for my setup while 170 excessive.. :confused:

because I thought to run at minimum the pump, but, in the future if I want to add sps, I have already the right pump..

I am probably confusing!


The 150 is plenty for SPS in that tank. You will have to run it lower for LPS and softies or run in alternating mode.

The 170 would be too strong. In a 48" the undertow is huge with the 150 alone, you might not be able to dial down the 170 enough for lps.

The new silent support is out, and my gyres are completely silent even at 100%. Of course silence is subjective, I'm sure they emit some sound but my tank sounds are louder than the gyre. Chaotic flow is accomplished by a gyre as it encounters various structures in the tank. As mentioned, reverse flow is very low, almost non existent. A pulse flow will produce a nice wave effect in the tank as well. I don't believe the 170 is out yet, so you might have to wait on that one.
My choice for the gyre was based on your tank width of 48" and all pumps on one end. I'm not sure what advantage the MP40s would have in that respect. They'll still reach the 48" mark, but will have an area of extreme flow right in front of the wetside. I also think you would need 2 of them, but I couldn't say what configuration would provide good flow, synced, anti synced, running reefcrest on both? I've owned many MP40s and MP60s, and am much happier with the flow from the gyre in my tank.

therefore already to 10%-20%-30% you think that 170 will be uncontrollable?

important your reply because you had vortech in the past and now you can say us/me the difference, problem and improvements.
they said me that 170 it'll be out in summer
I agree with you (only from YouTube video) that the reverse mode is practically not existent. what a pity for this.

You can reduce the power in 10% increments all the way from nothing to 100%. 40-50% in my tank (48") really is to much. But I plan on upgrading someday to a bigger tank, which is the main reason I bought the 150. You could buy a 130 now, and run it on higher, but why bother? The cost diff isn't much of a concern in this hobby...

Also, the 150 running at 40% is a lot quieter than the 130 running near max.

wow, I replied and you guys had a whole conversation lol! Sorry for being slow to the party! haha.

I want to buy one between 150 and 170 and run it at minimum that I can.

I'm very happy to speak with you from Italy with my phone and see how much people are here to advise and tell their experience. thank

I wouldn't think about the 170 unless my tank was at least 6 feet long. The 150 is very strong for 48".

I replaced 2 MP60s with Gyres in my tank and am happy with the flow I get now. My MP60s were running at minimal percentage, but the gyres are higher percent. Thats ok with me, they are quieter. While reverse is poor in the A-B configuration, you could always use A-A or B-B configuration. This provides alternating flow forward and reverse, each approximately equal to half of the original A-B configuration. I can easily see Maxspect making propellers (lets call them C-D) that provide differing flow patterns by changing the angle of the fins. Since the parts are interchangeable, there are many possibilities. Lets hope that Maxspect makes a multi gyre controller, Apex compatibility, and some new props. It is a great starting point.

I have to read online to understand this thing AB AA BB.. ecc.. because I don't know anything.. about this. Therefore if you have replaced two MP60 it means that Gyre are good pumps.

150 will be :lolspin:

For me, they are good pumps. I haven't had any problems with build quality, no issues with sound, and the flow is great in my tank. They have moved more sand in my tank than ever before, and a lot of gunk has come up from between rocks.

The A and B propellers are confusing at first. Lets say A is the left, and B is the right. So A-B will have both props going forward. You can switch the right side from B to another prop A (included in the box). You will have an A-A arrangement in alternating gyre mode. The left Prop A will go forward, while right prop A spins in reverse (not doing much). When the gyre alternates, left prop A will spin in reverse, and right prop A will provide flow. After that explanation, even I'm confused....:crazy1: Basically you'll get half flow in 1 direction, alternating with half flow in the other direction. That may appeal to you, or it may not.

2 vortech MP40 is the best way to go, the gyres is to new to compare, vortech has held it own for years with reefers.

They have moved more sand and a lot of gunk has come up from between rocks, for me it's because every time we change the pumps, or position pumps in the tank obviously the gunk that wasn't reach by the previous flow now it'll be and then it's come up.. it's my opinion. For me everyone, changing pumps can see this in his tank.

however if I'm wrong, then it will mean that this is a further feature of this pump, namely that its flow reaches points that other pumps do not reach.


For question AA BB.. whith A-B all forward.. if I choose B-A what happens? all forward in other direction or the same previous flow?

basically you're tight, no doubt. But if a new product it's good you know it really right away. Esthetically Gyre is better, almost hide in a tank. The flow seems strong and however adjustable.

one thing I don't have clear at 101%: are these pumps an USA product ?

I agree. I bought a gyre but one pump does not work. Went back to two MP40s and my tank is much happier.

if you can only put on a short side, you should put both the same end? because in my situation I need a pump/s positioned in a left short side

and, with lps and Softies I don't need great hurricane in the tank :crazy1:

Have both on the same end in anti sync mode, pulse long at 50%. Same placement as your tank. No hurricane.

perfect and good I never said that two vortech aren't perfect.. the idea was: is one gyre 150 enough for 48" Dsb Lps tank.. I thought, yes,but speaking it with you it's better..

after many reply, I can say that it's enough, obviously many of you are "faithful at vortech" and I can't say you're wrong :)