Bubble King Setup, Tuning and trouble shooting thread. Post your questions here!
Got it Scott. I think I will raise the sump depth and at the same time using a stand to raise my skimmer .
Well I will try to let my sump water down further one cm and if that is the sweet spot then it means I have to find a stand that will raise my skimmer water level back to 22.5 cm while my sump depth is at 27 cm then. In this case the stand should be around 5 cm high (may be an acrylic stand looks nicer then ). |
Bubble King Setup, Tuning and trouble shooting thread. Post your questions here!
This thread will be dedicated to setting up, tuning and trouble shooting Bubble King Skimmers. Feel free to ask any questions related to choosing the right skimmer as well as setting up, tuning or trouble shooting your skimmer.
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Bubble King Setup, Tuning and trouble shooting thread. Post your questions here!
Hi Scott,
That's good you create a posting for this subject . Sorry to post on the other topic , can you transfer all related earlier post of mine to this area. Thanks |
After the water level goes down 1 cm more the skimmer looks not much change:
https://vimeo.com/149475674 Furthermore , when you said break In , usually this took a week ? How can I say my skimmer already hit the sweet spot , as of now no overflowing issue have been notice almost 5 days now . |
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Exactly a week since it was set up.....does this means my skimmer broken in?;
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Thanks Scott, finally I got the answer for the heigh (water level ) of my going to build new sump .
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Will be posting pictures of my new set up soon, it's in 8.5inches of water. Trying to dial it in but when I upload photos through photo bucket it shows my whole album.
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Here it is I think.
Corey |
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Thank you. When you say wetten it you mean add more water into the chamber, correct?
Corey |
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There are PLENTY of DOC's in the tank. I know it's a lite load in there but it's been semi skimmer less for awhile. Corey |
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m...98F0787388.mp4
Here is where it stands now, maybe some fine tuning is needed. I'm close tho I think. It hasn't broke in all the way yet so I want to get it close to he sweet spot the let it settle for a few days u til it's broken in. Then I will really dial it in and start taking back my tank!!!! Corey |
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m...82B7B8544.mp4]http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m...082B7B8544.jpg
Now, lowered to 27 per sleifs thoughts Corey |
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Thanks for all your help Scott Corey |
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got it plugged up and closed that wedge just a tad to see how it pans out
corey |
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Ok Scott, no real change and nothing in the cup. Wedge is about 30-40% closed and power is on 30. So should I lower the skimmer and if so how much? Or is it okay to just bump up the power to maybe 32 or so and see what that does.
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Ok. Break in time is about a week or so? How will I know when it's broken in?
I have 10 fish going into the display next week possibly. Taking my count to 30. I can leave it where it is for now. I'm just curious about it is all. Corey |
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Since you aren't seeing anything in the cup yet, I would close the wedge pipe slightly and see what that yields in terms of skimmate. Lowering the skimmer is at this point isn't really needed since you're not broken in yet and you're going to be adding more fish. Once we find the sweet spot for you pump after more fish are in there, then we will see if the sump needs adjustment. When you close your wedge, set it so the transition from heavily aerated water to where it turns to foam is just above the base of the neck. This transition will appear as an obvious line. Since your load is light, I would target that transition to be about 1/4" up from the white ring where the collection cup connects to the body of the skimmer. Make you wedge pipe adjustments slowly and give it a minute to settle down. A little tiny turn of the wedge will make a big difference in the level inside the skimmer. The other alternative would be to increase your wattage in 1 watt increments as that will also raise the level in your skimmer but I did like the foam I saw. It's kind of a matter of experimenting to see what results in the best foam that is pushing the waste up the neck the best couple with a water level inside the skimmer that results in that waste going over the neck and into the cup slowly. Every tank is different which is where fine tuning for the individual tank comes into play. There really is no right or wrong but the general idea is that the lower the pump speed, the longer the contact time and the smaller the bubbles. With a lower speed comes the need for a high level in the skimmer which is where sump depth and or wedge pipe adjustments come into play. This isn't much different that any other skimmer in terms of the end result. You just have a better ability to fine tune the skimmer and foam with the RD3. Don't be afraid to play with different settings over the coming days. When I setup my Supermain 250, I played with it for nearly a month making little changes here and there to get a feel for what worked best for me in terms of pump speed and the level inside my skimmer. |
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Guys I have jyst bought double cone 200 with rd3 pump for my 180g reef. Previous to this i was running an atb 840 and its absolutely fantastic skimmer. But I treated myself this Christmas.
Skimmer is now 2 weeks old. After 1 week it started skimming, but it was in shalliw water of 16cm, running at 34w with wedge pipe 75-80% closed. But it then stopped skimming. Following advice I have relocated the skimmer to deeper water.i found it was simply not producing consistant skimmate like me previous skimmer. This Produced little to none and very wet. It now sits in 24cm of water. Royal exclusiv rec 20-25cm for this skimmer. At this depth with wedge pipe FULLY OPEN i can achive a head of foam midway in the neck at 34w on pump. It still is not producing good skim and it's very watery. Howrver the height ofbthe foam head is like my previous skimmer, halfway up the neck. In order to improve and make more consistent do you: Do you advise closing the pipe and reducing air? Or increasing power and let it skim wet in a hope it darkens up later? Leaving it to run as it is? Is there really a big differdnce at each setting? I still cannot understand the concept of wantjnb to restrict skimmer air and water, i always was told bigger is better. Could somebody please explain what I should do and why? |
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Your pump level is higher than I would normally recommend for that skimmer and you are running at a higher depth that I would normally suggest for a reasonably stocked tank. Normally I would suggest around 20-22cm and a pump speed of around 27-30 watts. The lower wattage will decrease the bubble size which makes better foam and will increase the contact time. Both of which are important for best skimmer performance but the depth is kind of a variable that depends on other factors. A lighter load will necessitate a higher sump level. The heavier the load necessitates a lower sump level. Your skim is wet in part because of the high pump speed and high water level. Less is more sometimes and in this case, the smaller bubbles coupled with the increased contact time will produce better results. In your case, these changes will lower the foam level in your skimmer so you will need to make futher adjustments to raise the foam level in the skimmer. I would suggest dropping the wattage to 30 watts and closing the wedge pipe to raise the level of foam in your skimmer. That or raise the sump level even more so that your skimmer is in 25cm of water. Even so, with the lower pump speed, you are more than likely going to need to close the wedge pipe a bit even if you raise your sump level another cm. Edit: It seems about a year ago you and I corresponded on the forum about skimmers. We were originally talking about the double cone 200 until you indicated that the display size was 125g and the total system volume was 180 or so gallons at which point I said that made a difference and suggested the double cone 180.. I also explained that you don't want to oversize these skimmers. What prompted you to do with the DC200?? Hopefully you got a bigger tank because the double cone 200 is too large for a 125 gallon display which would explain why the skimmer is running inconsistently and your need to adjust it really wet to keep it producing. See my post below because if my hunch is correct, than that changes things a bit. |
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Hi slief
You correct that was me before and my system and display size has stayed the same. You recommended the 180 but jeremy b said to go for 200. He said as coral mass increased it would increase bio load etc. And the 200 would be better suited in the long run. So 1 year later with bigger corals here I am. Reef runs at s.g of 1.025 with a refractometer. Fish load 1 medium achilles tang 1 small kole tang 1 small convict tang 1 medium bkueface angel 1 royal gramma 1 flame angel 1 longnose butteffly 2 clownfish 2 emporer cardinals 3 green chromis 3 bicolour chromis 3 medium wrasse Thanks |
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Thanks for the help slief
Im a little disappointed I was advised by both jeremy and royal exclusiv to go for the 200. Have I bought a very expensive paperweight? I will try the setting you have suggested. So to clarify the lower the wattage the smaller the bubbles (better) but less water is processed (bad) so its a case of balancing the 2. Is that right? |
I didn't want to make a whole thread about this, so I hope it's somewhat relevant to this one day...
I cleaned out my skimmer today and I noticed three of my impeller teeth were broken off. I then remembered a while back I had a snail slipped in and got caught in the intake, but took it out. It was probably this instance that broke it. Anyways, I was wondering if there was any kind of snail guard available that could prevent this. Thanks in advance! |
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Disassembly was a breeze and I got a load of the giant impeller and titanium shaft that makes this skimmer tick. It was quite impressive to say the least. These things are built solid! Wish I would have taken a picture! |
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That massive motor and impeller make it a much more powerful motor in terms of what will ultimately stop it as well as how much abuse it will take. |
One week of running http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m...FEAEACA76.mp4]http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m...9FEAEACA76.jpg
How's this look?! Corey |
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It's been running since Sunday. I haven't touched it for 3 days. Yes it is a bit on the wet side, the pump is on 27 and it is dark rich color of coffee. Stinks, but I think it can get nastier.
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Open it a bit. To lower water level a tad. My new fish should be ready Tuesday, I have 10 coming in. That will put me at 31 fish total. I dose vinegar and vodka as well to help my nitrate issue I have been having. It's been a week and I am already pleased with the results I'm getting, can't wait to reach its potential.
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I ordered the BK 200 double cone with RD3 and I am waiting for it!!
Any suggestion how to run it and break it in, in a new tank that hasn't been cycled yet and therefore has no NO3? And any links or suggestions on how to properly cycle a potential sps reef aquarium? Thanks! |
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Scott, I opened it a bit and got nothing in cup. So I closed it a bit today to see how it goes for the next few hours. I added 10 more fish to the tank today and upped my vodka/vinegar dosing to 4/10ml of each. Not a lot but an increase. Hopefully tomorrow we will see some sludge in there, if not I'll close it a very small amount again. Any other pointers?
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as the vodka/vinegar mixture kicks in, should any adjustments be made for that. I see most people dosing this prefer to skim wetter by choice. I shouldn't have to change anything, maybe just expect nastier stinkier skim maybe?
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Okay. When you say wet, you mean a bit drier than I have been and showed in the pictures above? It's been about a week and half so it's probably broken in or close to it. So now it's just dialing it in I assume
Corey |
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