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AugustWest 07/03/2015 07:04 PM

Rimless 93 Gallon Cube Tanks Issues?
 
Just wondering if you guys have acknowledged any issues with your Rimless 93 Gallon Cubes?

I have heard of a few issues of problems with the silicone on these tanks and also a problem with them failing (leaking)

I have just purchased one but have not had a chance to leak test it yet.

Thanks

johnike 07/12/2015 04:54 AM

Hello Marineland, same question.
I have a new 93 sitting here ready to go.

AugustWest 07/16/2015 10:36 AM

Not touching this one with a 10 foot pole? Would appreciate a response at least. Thank you

n8n 07/31/2015 10:03 AM

I've had mine up since November 2014 and the only real regret/problems I've had out of it is the fact that the MarineLand stand is so short and tiny. I have everything I really need in the stand, but its a huge pain to even change filter socks it is so tight. No problem so far with any kind of leaking. If you are overly concerned about it, you can always get a tub of clear silicon and add a few more layers of silicon.

Joeb1983 08/08/2015 07:48 AM

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Its not the 93 gallon rimless cube, but I do have have their 60 w/ corner overflow that has been set up for a few weeks now besides the overflow/sump (having a custom acrylic 20x20x15 made). I Just noticed this yesterday when cleaning the glass.

Its a cluster of micro-bubbles in the silicone joint where the glass panes are mated. Its on both top corners where the front pane meets the side panes, spanning down from the top lip about 1-1/2" in length and in some places almost as thick as the 3/8" pane itself.

I came across this thread because I am obviously concerned; ESPECIALLY given the tank is rim-less/frame-less. (My first) Anything to be worried about?.. The "wet" inside seam looks alright and nothing is leaking as of today. lol! Its pretty unsightly when the LED's are ramped up and now I know its there I cant stop noticing it.

It is set level on there Ventura stand and I agree it could be a tad taller.

Email was sent to MarineLand as well. If I do not hear back from them by Tuesday I will give them a call and inquire about both the 60 and 93.

Contact info for those needing off their site:

800-322-1266

7:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday.

*** If you have a warranty issue, please contact our Customer Service Team about your product issue and how to best handle your problem. Warranty returns should be sent to Marineland Online Returns, 4015 Lakeview Corporate Dr., Edwardsville, IL 62025, but you must call before sending in your product in order to get authorization and further directions.***




(sorry for the sideways pics)

Pacecar83 09/29/2015 11:38 AM

I have had my 93 cube set up for almost a year straight since it was moved and about 6 additional months before the take down/move, no issues.

I will look today if I have any microbubles, I remember some seam imperfections but nothing that caused me to be alarmed.

It has been a great tank so far, it resides on a custom stand and was leveled before water was added.

johnike 09/29/2015 03:25 PM

Mine's been wet for a couple of weeks now, and I'm nothing but happy with it so far.

Pacecar83 09/30/2015 07:23 AM

I looked at my seams last night and there are small bubbles at the top and even at the bottom of the seam where the edge of one pane meets the face of the next.

However, all the joints have silicone on the inside all the way around (I noticed the inside silicone work seemed very professional when I purchased the tank). It looked like there was even a thin coating on the outside of the joints.

I see no reason to be worried in my case. I am more worried about the stand or floor collapsing.

Will be curious to hear what you end up doing.

shred5 09/30/2015 07:35 AM

Yea I hat to toss one out, It had bubbles in the seams. I was also talking on another forum with a guy who had a bad one and had two replacements that were the same. Actually there are allot of people I have hear of with the issue once I had mine. A few went ahead and used the tank anyway because Marineland told them it was ok which makes no sense if they are replacing others.. They said the bubbles went away after a while but no way I am trusting that. I also wonder since they go away how many people have had issues and didn't even know it because when you first fill up a tank they usually have micro bubbles or it is on a back seam..

Mine not only had the micro bubbles in it the seams were horrible with glue all over and the pains of glass were not even straight.

The micro bubbles dont show up till you put water in the tank but I looked at a few Marineland tanks and the glue is horrible so I just bought a Aqueon tank and their is a huge difference in quality with the glue...

I had to toss mine because it was drilled and no warranty.

Also the 93 stand that comes with them is garbage. It is too low for a reef and the bottom plywood is too thin.


Joeb1983 that is exactly what it looks like but yours is not as bad. I think on the 93 it is worse because they are bigger and the joints are stretched down farther because of the extra weight. mine ran from top to bottom on all seams. Eventually those bubbles must fill with water because they go away from what I have seen from others.

I do not think the concern is it leaking it is the seam actually letting loose. The glue is not supposed to do that.

Stinks because they are one of the few who makes cubes without having to buy custom but there is no way after that I will ever buy another aquarium from them except maybe smaller size and I even doubt that.

MitchSutherland 10/09/2015 04:14 PM

I actually have a 60 gallon rimless. I had it up for about two weeks. No bubbles at first, and then they appeared. I recently drained the tank and it sat a couple days. The bubbles are now gone. So it must be just the pressure pushing on the glass. Just my two cents.

Joeb1983 11/22/2015 08:45 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure if the sealant has too much elasticity our it's a fault in the joining process, but either way it's annoying to know you potentially have a time-bomb on your hands...

It's a good thing MarineLand is so much help though........

Joeb1983 11/22/2015 08:51 AM

I agree 100% with the not so much a leak worry, but rather a random while your at work/vacation seam failure.

johnike 11/22/2015 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeb1983 (Post 24140289)

It's a good thing MarineLand is so much help though........

You're supposed to type that in comic sans font because we have no sarcasm smiley.
:D

shred5 11/22/2015 10:08 AM

Omg I just went back a reread my post.. I hate replying from a phone. I have friends that can type on them like they have a keyboard.


MY 93 the glass pains were not even lined up, one of the sides was glued at a angle.
I was looking at the Marineland tanks vrs. AGA/Aqueon vrs. Deep Blue and the Marineland are far worse and the cheapest in price. Just looking at the glue/seams and you can see the difference. Aqueon has nice clean straight seams where the some of Marineland look like they were done by a child trying to stay in the lines. Glue all over the glass, glue seeping out the outer edge.

johnike 11/22/2015 04:07 PM

There was indeed silicone slopped all over the place inside and out on mine.

Joeb1983 11/23/2015 08:31 AM

I bought a close-out, AquaTop, rim-less 18" cube off of eBay for my office.

I never heard of AquaTop before and I was very nervous about another rimless seeing what I'm dealing with on this MarineLand 60.

It came in and I inspected every seem thoroughly with a LED pen light.

I was amazed! The panes where even, the joints flawless and the sealant was tighter thinner and cleaner. Very impressed and its proof it can be done.

GT3000XX 11/30/2015 11:46 PM

Marinland
 
I replaced my aquarium with a new one due to scratches on the old one. After tearing down and setting up the new one I noticed a line of bubbles in the seam. I took photos and got in touch with Marineland. After providing the photos,receipt and a photo of the build sticker they immediately authorized replacement with my LFS. The only PITA was having to go through the tear down again. I agree their quality seems to have gone down. I have been in the hobby 30+ years and have never seen such sloppy and lack of quality control work. :mad:

shred5 12/01/2015 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT3000XX (Post 24157970)
I replaced my aquarium with a new one due to scratches on the old one. After tearing down and setting up the new one I noticed a line of bubbles in the seam. I took photos and got in touch with Marineland. After providing the photos,receipt and a photo of the build sticker they immediately authorized replacement with my LFS. The only PITA was having to go through the tear down again. I agree their quality seems to have gone down. I have been in the hobby 30+ years and have never seen such sloppy and lack of quality control work. :mad:

The only problem is I know someone who got two replacements and both replacements had the same issue.

GT3000XX 12/01/2015 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shred5 (Post 24158358)
The only problem is I know someone who got two replacements and both replacements had the same issue.

That would tick me off. I think at that point I would expect some sort of compensation for my time and trouble!

shred5 12/01/2015 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT3000XX (Post 24158406)
That would tick me off. I think at that point I would expect some sort of compensation for my time and trouble!

Yea...
Talk about ticked:
I was out tank and stand because I had mine drilled and it voided warranty.
I was so angry I just put it out by the road.

I thought it was just the 93 but I see others have the issues too now.

Joeb1983 12/01/2015 12:44 PM

LOL! So far its been 6 for 6 that has seam issues for me!

The one I have currently is the "best" of the bunch.

Tank 1 (original): Micro bubbles in the seams. Reason for inquiry to MarineLand. (Emailed first, no response so I called) Informed its bad/needs replaced after supplying pictures. (Was hoping for "its only cosmetic").

Tank 2 (replacement from the place of purchase via RMA w/ MarineLand): Same exact problem. Same manufacture date by the same individual. Email sent off to MarineLand explaining such. In limbo thereafter. Same between my place of purchase and MarineLand.

Tank 3 (at another LFS/dry display): Micro bubbles in seams yet again. (starting to think its normal) Another email sent and phone call to MarineLand for a status update. No reply.

Tanks 4, 5 & 6 (place of purchase has 3 come in) ALL have the same issue, some even worse than mine.

Apparently MarineLand contacted my LFS and said they are addressing the issue and would send out bubble free tank...

That was months ago and we haven't heard a word.

GT3000XX 12/01/2015 12:51 PM

Wow! Sorry to hear that.

Joeb1983 12/01/2015 01:08 PM

Yeah, its very frustrating to say the least. I feel like their way of handling it is to string you along until you just give up.

It really trips me out when I perform water changes.

The micro-bubble "trails" grow as much as 3 times in length when taking water out and shrinks back to about 2-3" from the top when water is added.

I'm keeping my eye on it and I know its a gamble. Some people say theirs has been like it for years with no issues and others have come home to a disaster.

GT3000XX 12/01/2015 01:39 PM

Be sure and keep records of your contacts with them. I only communicate via E-mail so I have a record. If your aquarium should start to leak you will have ammunition to make a claim.

swiftvision 12/16/2015 05:54 PM

My 93....after leak test. It's going back to get replaced.....fingers crossed.

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/o...AG0782%201.jpg

Joeb1983 12/17/2015 08:49 AM

" It's going back to get replaced.....fingers crossed. "



Best of luck! Hopefully you don't have to go through what I've been through and you get an acceptable tank...

It gets to be a real headache after a while. Trust me.

Be sure to post your outcome.

blusun2 01/04/2016 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeb1983 (Post 23922415)
Its not the 93 gallon rimless cube, but I do have have their 60 w/ corner overflow that has been set up for a few weeks now besides the overflow/sump (having a custom acrylic 20x20x15 made). I Just noticed this yesterday when cleaning the glass.

Its a cluster of micro-bubbles in the silicone joint where the glass panes are mated. Its on both top corners where the front pane meets the side panes, spanning down from the top lip about 1-1/2" in length and in some places almost as thick as the 3/8" pane itself.

I came across this thread because I am obviously concerned; ESPECIALLY given the tank is rim-less/frame-less. (My first) Anything to be worried about?.. The "wet" inside seam looks alright and nothing is leaking as of today. lol! Its pretty unsightly when the LED's are ramped up and now I know its there I cant stop noticing it.

It is set level on there Ventura stand and I agree it could be a tad taller.

Email was sent to MarineLand as well. If I do not hear back from them by Tuesday I will give them a call and inquire about both the 60 and 93.

Contact info for those needing off their site:

800-322-1266

7:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday.

*** If you have a warranty issue, please contact our Customer Service Team about your product issue and how to best handle your problem. Warranty returns should be sent to Marineland Online Returns, 4015 Lakeview Corporate Dr., Edwardsville, IL 62025, but you must call before sending in your product in order to get authorization and further directions.***




(sorry for the sideways pics)

I've had my 93 Cube since February. I just noticed in the last few weeks that I have micro bubbles that look almost exactly the same as yours. It just started, so I'm a little worried.

I have the glass canopy for this tank (I'm using it for freshwater fish and not a reef) and the clips that support the canopy are aweful. It comes with 6 clips to hold the weight of the large glass canopy and they just can't take the weight of it. They bend and eventually break from it. I've called Marineland twice and received extra clips, but even with 12 on each side, some end up bending.

So with these being rimless, are they doomed to fail eventually? I really don't want to have to deal with taking this tank down and setting up a new one if I call Marineland.

Pacecar83 01/13/2016 03:24 PM

Does anyone have any documented leaks or seam failures? My tank as been wet for over a year continuously and about 6month prior to that....bubbles and all

Joeb1983 02/04/2016 01:56 PM

That is one of the main reasons I decided to just keep my 60...

I've read so many contradicting threads.

Marineland tells some micro-bubbles are normal and others they are not and the tank needs to be replaced. (which is what they told me)

Every tank I came across had/has this exact issue, however I could find nothing online in regards to blow outs or leaks due to this.

I will say while on the phone with Marineland they did say they are having seam failures on the 93's and not to chance it with my 60; however I cant seem to find instances like that online.

Now, cracked bottoms are another story...

crawling junk 02/04/2016 02:51 PM

I have my rimless 60 for 3 years now, so far so good

ruiny 04/08/2016 12:21 PM

Mine looks like Swiftvision and has been set up and fine for 5 years.
Still looks the same.

kendrid 04/25/2016 07:29 AM

Any updates on this? Are the newer tanks bubble free now?

johnike 04/25/2016 09:44 AM

Except for the damn flatworms, mine's fine.
;)
:)

shred5 04/25/2016 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kendrid (Post 24487324)
Any updates on this? Are the newer tanks bubble free now?

I have bought two tanks since my 93 had bubbles a 90 and a 125. To me Marine land quality is horrible. I could get their tanks cheaper but every time I look at the quality even compared to Aqueon it is so bad. Seams are done horrible, glue everywhere, glass is not even straight on some. I could save 30 bucks buying them too on those size tanks, but I just do not trust them..

My 93 didn't just have bubbles the glass was not even straight..

kendrid 04/25/2016 11:05 AM

I have called around and a LFS that has decent pricing has a couple of 93s in stock. I am going to check them out to see how the silicon looks and if the edges are square.

I love the look of cube tanks and I could do a 60 or 93. A Deep Blue 60 is an option and available from another LFS for $90 more than the Marineland 60 which is worth if it the build quality is better.

shred5 04/25/2016 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kendrid (Post 24487718)
I have called around and a LFS that has decent pricing has a couple of 93s in stock. I am going to check them out to see how the silicon looks and if the edges are square.

I love the look of cube tanks and I could do a 60 or 93. A Deep Blue 60 is an option and available from another LFS for $90 more than the Marineland 60 which is worth if it the build quality is better.


You cannot see the bubbles in the glue till it is filled with water.
Make them fill it up there before taking it home.

SEE I asked them to test it first but they would not and once drilled the warranty is void. I ended up throwing a tank and stand in the garbage.

AugustWest 04/25/2016 11:26 AM

9 months since I made this post and I see Marineland never responded, surprise surprise lol. Wonder why they have a forum?

For what it's worth my tank is doing fine... Knock wood

shred5 04/25/2016 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AugustWest (Post 24487755)
9 months since I made this post and I see Marineland never responded, surprise surprise lol. Wonder why they have a forum?

For what it's worth my tank is doing fine... Knock wood

Never realised this was their forum.. LOL

kendrid 04/25/2016 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shred5 (Post 24487744)
You cannot see the bubbles in the glue till it is filled with water.
Make them fill it up there before taking it home.

SEE I asked them to test it first but they would not and once drilled the warranty is void. I ended up throwing a tank and stand in the garbage.

That is a good idea. Should take a few minutes to fill and drain and I could verify if there are bubbles.

What I am looking for is a 60-100 gallon tank that isn't wider than 36". I am replacing a 35g hex aquarium and I want it to fit in the same spot. I love the look of the cubes so I have that in my head. There is the 30"w 56 gallon and it is cheap ($120 new).

kendrid 04/25/2016 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shred5 (Post 24487773)
Never realised this was their forum.. LOL

They have never respond to any thread.

Check out the thread titled "Is this tank seperating?" That looks bad.

CrayolaViolence 04/29/2016 06:38 PM

Oh dear, and here I am about to purchase a marine land 180 gallon, pre drilled duel overflow. Will have to check the tank out really well before I pay it off. Maybe even call Marine land and find out the skinny.

frivera28 11/04/2016 12:39 PM

has anyone had a 93 gallon fail at the seams?

bonomo53 02/01/2017 05:53 PM

TTT any documented failures? Mine has some bubbles and the response i got from ML is "we would rather be safe then sorry". My tank has been up for over a year now.
http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/w...psn2t4w8z4.jpg

Ridem32 02/07/2017 09:31 PM

Bonomo did u get a new tank?


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necessary_evil 01/22/2018 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiftvision (Post 24190988)
My 93....after leak test. It's going back to get replaced.....fingers crossed.

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/o...AG0782%201.jpg

To Res an old thread.
I was thinking about picking up one of these used, I can't even see the issue with swiftvision's tank?

What was the outcome of all this?

blusun2 01/22/2018 01:37 PM

I sold mine about a year ago, at the time I still have the same microbubbles. They never got bigger or multiplied. Only reason I sold it was to get a different sized tank.

I had more problems with the clips that hold the glass canopy. Even with more than 10 on each side of the canopy. All those clips would fail eventually, but YMMV.

ed_ten_72 09/27/2019 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnike (Post 24030772)
Mine's been wet for a couple of weeks now, and I'm nothing but happy with it so far.

Sir, please read your post again and see how ambiguous it looks.


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