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subversion 01/07/2016 03:08 PM

My First Nano Reef!
 
First off, let me say thank you so much to everyone! You've all been awesome help so far, considering I'm brand new to the hobby and was starting with almost no knowledge.

I am still (and always will be) learning, so any input/suggestions/changes are all greatly appreciated!

Here goes. This is my very simple 10 gallon nano reef set up, thus far. I'm running a small cheap tube heater that keeps the temperature stable at 79 degrees, one Koralia Nano 425 pump pointed upwards to break the water but still add enough of a current to the entire tank, and one par38 led bulb.

Parameters:
Salinity 1.024
Alkalinity (dKH) 9.2
Magnesium 1290-1310
pH 8.5
Ammonia/Nitrite 0
Nitrate 0-0.5ppm

I do one 25% water change weekly with RODI water. I'm currently using Red Sea Coral Pro salt, but think this may be overkill as I only plan to keep softies, and might switch to regular Instant Ocean. The tank is not drilled, and has no sump/refugium, but I'm considering turning my quarantine tank into a sump once I'm done adding things. It's 8 gallons and also is not drilled. Opinions? I also have a small hang on back filter that holds maybe half a liter of water. I decided it was probably too small to use as a refugium, so it's still in the box.

I feel like I may need a second par38, as I'm getting kind of a lighting hot spot in the middle of the tank. I'm using a reflective dome that I stole from my reptiles to house the bulb.

Tank with par38:
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...pstrhx7diu.jpg

Tank naturally lit from window (I keep the curtains closed unless I'm taking pictures):
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...pslewknk8n.jpg

My sandbed is about 1" thick, and I have two nassarius snails, two blue leg hermits, and one sneaky, unintentional astrea snail that came with one of my corals. Right now, as you can see, things are looking a little red. I'm trying the "turn the lights off for three days" method to see if that helps, as it seems to be cyanobacteria. I'll be repeating this on the same three days every month until the problem goes away or I get mad and try something else.

I have a small candy cane pistol shrimp (Alpheus randalli) who was paired with a goby, but is now all alone as the goby passed away one week after purchase. I will be adding another goby once I'm sure the first didn't infect my tank, and I will be quarantining it this time.

Video of the pair when I had both:
Hi Fin Goby and Pistol Shrimp - Youtube

I have 6 intentional corals and three mushroom corals that came with the live rock.
Corals I bought:
1 small gsp frag
1 large purple starburst polyp "chunk"
1 fire and ice zoa frag
1 purple passion zoa frag
1 unidentified red/pink/yellow/white zoa frag
1 butterfly wing zoa frag

The gsp and starburst polyps will be trimmed back regularly once they cover their allotted space at the top of the rock. If they drive me nuts, I can pull the rock out. Since I'm new, I figure starting with the weeds of the saltwater world is probably a good idea, as I'm less likely to kill them.

Some zoa pictures:

Unidentified zoas, natural sunlight:
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...psaf2haevu.jpg

Fire and Ice zoas, natural sunlight:
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...pshvq9rqu5.jpg

Purple Passion zoas, natural sunlight:
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6qn2sjis.jpg

Butterfly Wing zoas, hideous mercury daylight bulb I used before my par38 came:
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...pspjzawstq.jpg

I want to take better pictures but the glare from the intense spot of lighting in the middle of the tank is causing some problems. So that's a work in progress.

The purple passions haven't fully opened yet. I had them right near the bottom of the tank kind of out of the spotlight and they were furious, so I moved them top and center and now they open partway. I only added them a week and a half ago, so I'm just being patient at this point. Everything else has new polyps and seems happy.

The tank finished cycling on December 4th, 2015, so it's only been active for a short time. I'll update as things change.

Thanks for reading!

CafeReef 01/07/2016 04:07 PM

looks like you have a great setup so far. I am using an aquaclear 20 DIY'd into a refugium and works fantastic, I get great growth off of it and I am using a LED desk lamp (http://www.lowes.com/pd_62582-47842-...1&Ntt=led+lamp) the flexible arm turns nicely and I keep the light on 8 hours a day. my 7 gallon has crystal clear water and couldnt be happier (3 month old tank). I am also running a bubble magus QQ1 HOB skimmer ($90), been running it for about 3 weeks and could not be more impressed with it.

I dont see any reason you couldnt turn your HOB into a refugium, I recommend giving it a shot!

Bogue Chitto 01/07/2016 08:17 PM

You could use another par 38 LED bulb.

subversion 01/08/2016 05:03 AM

Thanks for the advice guys! I'll start planning on how to convert my HOB, and once my next fish is ready to go in I'll start switching it over.

I'll order another bulb right away!

subversion 01/08/2016 09:14 AM

So this is the HOB filter I have:

http://mla-d2-p.mlstatic.com/filtro-...1_072014-O.jpg

I'll be tossing out all the stuff it came with. I'm thinking a layer of Miracle Mud (I have no idea how thick or if it's even worthwhile in this tiny thing...) and then a handful or so of Chaeto and some live rock fragments. Like I said, it probably only holds about 4-5 cups of water so it's a sad little thing, but I suppose any refugium is better than no refugium at all.

I'll add some more pictures once I get it up and running and add the extra bulb.

CafeReef 01/08/2016 09:53 AM

that HOB is narrow, but should work fine for a tank of your size. I would recommend painting the side that will face the tank black, so excess light doesn't shine into the tank. you will also want to rotate your chaeto in the fuge maybe once a week or every two weeks. I rotate mine when I cut out excess.

I would recommend a screen of some sort to to catch chaeto that might try to come through the return.

this was what mine looked like (you'll see in the after photos on top the part I painted black)

http://i.imgur.com/q5wvzf5h.jpg

daedalus8311 01/08/2016 10:32 AM

Could go with larger filter for more area then cut down the impeller blades to slow the flow

subversion 01/09/2016 10:07 AM

That sounds like a plan, CafeReef. Thanks so much for the mod suggestions! I'll get to work on that as soon as I have a free minute or two.

Daedalus, I'd love a larger filter but I have this one handy already. It actually came with the 10 gallon as a freshwater starter kit. I found the whole thing for $50 and figured why not. If this refugium crashes and burns I'll go larger though.

ISHIRIX. 01/09/2016 09:20 PM

Very cool hope everything goes well :D

ISHIRIX. 01/09/2016 09:25 PM

I did a cheato experiment once I put sum into my display tank and just took a little out when it got too big made a great decoration even tho my LFS recommend me not add it because its rapid growthl:lmao:

BeachVacationer 01/09/2016 09:47 PM

Is cheato really needed in such a small tank? With live rock and half of my space in my filter filled with ceramic rings my nitrates are close to zero in my 5 gallon. I do probably 50% WC because the tank is so small. No skimmer, just WC. I use the other 50% of my filter space for carbon, gfo and sponge. It's been working well for me for about 8 months.

CafeReef 01/10/2016 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeachVacationer (Post 24241547)
Is cheato really needed in such a small tank? With live rock and half of my space in my filter filled with ceramic rings my nitrates are close to zero in my 5 gallon. I do probably 50% WC because the tank is so small. No skimmer, just WC. I use the other 50% of my filter space for carbon, gfo and sponge. It's been working well for me for about 8 months.

Necessary? No. Beneficial? Sure. Any macro algae willbhelp with phosphates, I leave my tank every weekend (office tank). When I didnt run chaeto every monday morning there would be plenty of glass cleaning for me to do and bloom on the sand bed. First weekend of having the fuge setup. Crystal clear water

HammerLover 01/10/2016 06:18 AM

That setup is sweet and nice Zoas there! I've got a 10 gallon nano as well but its still in the struggle of diatom blooms xD

Hope everything turns well! Keep us posted!

subversion 01/10/2016 01:24 PM

I figure the chaeto can't hurt. And considering how small the tank is, I'm willing to try anything to help make it more stable.

Thanks Hammer! I'm hoping I don't hit the diatom phase once my cyano clears up.

CafeReef 01/10/2016 09:56 PM

Diatoms will happen, right of passage. Once your tank is established in the months to come it will stop. My recommendation is to just let them be, if you fight it, you risk it getting worse, causing other issues, or just flat out wasting your time and stressing over nothing. Consider it a growth spurt for your tank :)

subversion 01/11/2016 11:45 AM

Yeah I'd prefer to just let things run their course. I don't like the idea of adding chemicals of any kind to such a small tank. Working out the dosing for my tiny 10 gallon would be bad enough.

subversion 01/26/2016 02:35 AM

Update time!

The cyano is under control and my parameters are looking great. Besides the explosion of pods that the invert forum has told me are harmless (phew), and the fact that my so called purple passions are still unhappy, everything is going well. My chaeto came in so I'm modding the HOB refugium now to get that happening. The light for the refugium is set up and working, and my second PAR38 should be here any day. I also got a new zoa frag, a little piece of rock with what was labeled as Tubbs blue. So I took some new pictures of all my zoas with my PAR38 on.

The ones I think are butterfly wings:
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...psxkaowkht.png

These were labeled as fire and ice. I think they probably are:
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0kl4dsek.png

My new tubbs blues:
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...psxpzz6qb0.png

And these cute pink ones I haven't identified. They're positioned right under the light, so the contrast on the image is a little wonky, but the color is accurate to what I'm seeing:
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...psyxwjupib.png

And here's one of my silly hermit crabs trying to climb the walls:
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...pso1jwj3yk.gif


I'll update again once the refugium is all set up and the other bulb is installed.

CafeReef 01/26/2016 10:31 AM

nice, will be good to see how it all looks once everything is settled in

Navyblue 01/26/2016 11:46 AM

As a newcomer, I can understand the urge to have to "add stuff". If I were you, I would keep it as simple as possible.

No sump? I would not fret about it. Yes if you want a large refugium or a large skimmer, but otherwise it is just another place detritus can settle.

Refugium? The only reason I would want it is to grow chaeto. No other stuff should be in there. Stuffs like miracle mud, sand or rocks will not do much more than trap detritus. There are hang on back isolation/breeder box that you can use for that, just plug and play.

HOB filter, I would only use them if I have to run some sort of media, or there are too much suspended particulate in the water. Otherwise it is a complication that I am better off without.

If I were you, the only thing I would have rather than not is a skimmer. Again get a HOB one for a tank of this size.

When I started, other people's tank seems so huge and full of gizmos, and soon I have a large tank that is full of gizmo. But a decade later, all of the tanks I started in the recent years has been sumpless. Gizmos have their places IMO but they do not necessarily make your life or your tank better, you can run a successful tank too by keeping it simple.

subversion 01/26/2016 11:08 PM

Yeah my plan is to keep this little tank as simple as possible. The little HOB filter has become my refugium and it's got the chaeto in it now. The miracle mud is really cool stuff, but I just don't need it. The water is already way more clear than it was. I also might be having an oxygenation issue so the chaeto should help even more with that. Once I get my second light in, I'm done messing around. The plan is if the refugium fails or doesn't seem to be doing anything, I'll take it off, return the chaeto to the store, and put a skimmer where it was.

I really prefer the simplistic approach and the look of a nano tank that focuses on the aquascape and not all the gadgets crammed into it.

So now I have:
one small heater
one nano pump
one 1 liter HOB refugium
lighting

And that's it.

Now if only my fish would stop dying I'd be done adding living things too.
(link to that issue: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2542174)

Navyblue 01/27/2016 03:18 AM

Chaeto and skimmer, they don't do the same thing, so they don't replace each other. Skimmer is more for general filtration, remove organics from the water before they could decompose. The organic decomposed will eventually turn into nitrate and the chaeto is supposed to remove them.

You will want a skimmer regardless of chaeto.

As for nitrate export, your options are chaeto, very large water change, or carbon dosing (requires skimmer). If chaeto fails, then you will need one of the other two.

Miracle mud might do no harm to you in the short run, but years later it will eventually be a detritus trap, not needing it is an understatement.

As for the fish, there are some good info in that thread, but there are bad ones too. Fishes don't die from ammonia for spending 2 hours in a reasonably sized bag. There are many reasons that a fish would die, most of which we as hobbyist will never know.

Most of the fishes moved from one part of the world to another simply don't survive. If I were to take a wild stab this would be it. Most fishes I bought would die within the first few weeks, even though they all looked fine in the LFS. Of course, the LFS around me are far from the best. My suggestion would be, never buy any new arrivals. If a fish lived in an LFS tank for weeks if not a month and still looks good, chances are that it will stay alive when given the right condition. Otherwise what you are experiencing is not rare at all.

I once moved to a nearby apartment within walking distance, even with such a short distance move. A fish that I had for years died in a matter of hours while other fishes showed no sign of distress. The only attributable factor is stress from the moving, this is one aspect that is seldom talked about and impossible to quantify.

subversion 01/27/2016 03:52 AM

I'm doing about 25% water changes weekly, plus now the chaeto. I'm really hoping that does the trick. Mainly because I don't want to add anything else to the tank. Which is why I'd toss the chaeto and put the skimmer there. I don't have a ton of space in this tiny tank. One day, when I get a massive beast of an aquarium, I can put everything imaginable in there. In the meantime, my nitrate readings have been great. The highest I've seen since the initial cycle finished is .4. I'm planning on just leaving it alone for a while once I get the other light on it, sticking with my water change schedule, and seeing if everything stays stable. Hopefully it does.

As for the fish, who knows? The store had them in the displays for three weeks, plus whatever they had them quarantined for. I saw the little guy eat and everything. It just seems so weird that I've lost two different species of shrimp goby right away, and both had the exact same symptoms.

Jade5051 01/27/2016 04:53 AM

Where did you get the sweet goby shrimp Atari music?!

subversion 01/27/2016 04:56 AM

In the video with the hi fin? It's from a game called Undertale. I'm 90% sure I'm allowed to use it, but there's a chance I'm going to have to remove it. It's called Spider Dance.

Jade5051 01/27/2016 01:25 PM

My First Nano Reef!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by subversion (Post 24283892)
In the video with the hi fin? It's from a game called Undertale. I'm 90% sure I'm allowed to use it, but there's a chance I'm going to have to remove it. It's called Spider Dance.


I knew it was familiar. Dyrus was streaming that game the other day!


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