Coral dip as in tank medication

NanoReefLife · 02/13/2017, 08:06 PM

Does anyone have experience using coral dip in low concentrations as in tank medication for dealing with pests ?

Really interested to hear what others think.

sde1500 · 02/14/2017, 07:52 AM

A dip is a pretty concentrated does to take care of a pest. I don't see how a highly diluted does would do much.

NanoReefLife · 02/14/2017, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sde1500

A dip is a pretty concentrated does to take care of a pest. I don't see how a highly diluted does would do much.

My idea is it will allow for long durations of time for it to be implemented. Sort of like doing a fresh water dip will kill parasites on fish. It can only be done for a very short period. Where as hyposalinity treatment is kinda like a low intensity freshwater dip but can be done as a full system treatment over a long period of time.

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steallife904 · 02/14/2017, 09:36 AM

I don't think it would be effective in low concentrations. What pest are you trying to treat and what solution are you trying to use?

NanoReefLife · 02/14/2017, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by steallife904

I don't think it would be effective in low concentrations. What pest are you trying to treat and what solution are you trying to use?

Digitate hydroids is the problem.

Removing individal rocks is no longer an option as they are everywhere even on the glass and the sand.

There are way to many to pluck and too many i cant see without completely taking apart the rock work. I also find they slip through the tweezers.

I once took a hydroid on a little piece of rubble rock and put in a little tupperware container with tank water i then added coral revive. The hydroid was killed but it took double the max recommended time for dipping corals. This has led to the idea of using a tolerable concentration for the corals may kill the hydroids in long term.

I have a 20g tank so many predatory fish are not possible.

I tried peppermint shrimp, i have watched the digitate hydroid sting the shrimp and jump away so i doubt he will be eating them.

It would be amazing to find a solution to this problem and eliminate hearsay potential solutions.

What we need is an in tank treatment method?

ktownhero · 02/14/2017, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NanoReefLife

Digitate hydroids is the problem.

For what reason are they a problem?

NanoReefLife · 02/14/2017, 11:52 AM

I know theyre stinging corals ive seen them retract upon touch.

I also believe there is similar species of digitate hydroid as i was tired of hearing hearsay about these things so i put my hand in the tank and intentionally touched them and i can not feel a sting where others report a strong sting.

Ive been maintaining stable water parameters and adding more equipment to the tank to provide better conditions coral health keeps declining or never increases. Before the out break i was getting the best growth ive seen so far meanwhile i had. unstable parameters.

Since these hydroids have taken over it is very discouraging to get new corals

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GimpyFin · 02/14/2017, 12:04 PM

I personally would not do it. At least with Coral RX, the instructions specifically say do not use with inverts or fish and do not add to the aquarium (In bold letters.) You also are supposed to rinse the coral with SW after dip and before putting into the tank.

NanoReefLife · 02/14/2017, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GimpyFin

I personally would not do it. At least with Coral RX, the instructions specifically say do not use with inverts or fish and do not add to the aquarium (In bold letters.) You also are supposed to rinse the coral with SW after dip and before putting into the tank.

The idea is in low enough concentrations everything is tolerable.

At what level i do not know. But if that level is low enough for corals but higher than acceptable for the hydroids then it may work.

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GimpyFin · 02/14/2017, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NanoReefLife

The idea is in low enough concentrations everything is tolerable.

At what level i do not know. But if that level is low enough for corals but higher than acceptable for the hydroids then it may work.

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Coral dips are to help quickly get rid of certain bugs without damaging the coral. (Some dips also contain iodine which is harmful to fish and inverts.) IMO, by putting a dip in the tank, you're sort of undermining it's effectiveness to do much except possibly have a negative impact on the rest of your tank. Anyway, it is your tank and just my $.02.

steallife904 · 02/15/2017, 09:27 AM

ya I really think it would be a bad idea to put the dip in the tank. I do have an idea though.... do you have a sump on this tank? If so why not just use a hose to siphon water from the display into a filter sock in the sump... the idea is to vacuum the hydroids up and into the filter sock to dump when done. By doing this into the sump you would be putting the water right back so could do this for a while and vacuum up a bunch of them.

billdogg · 02/15/2017, 09:48 AM

I would think that you'd be way more likely to have pests build up resistance

NanoReefLife · 02/15/2017, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by steallife904

ya I really think it would be a bad idea to put the dip in the tank. I do have an idea though.... do you have a sump on this tank? If so why not just use a hose to siphon water from the display into a filter sock in the sump... the idea is to vacuum the hydroids up and into the filter sock to dump when done. By doing this into the sump you would be putting the water right back so could do this for a while and vacuum up a bunch of them.

I tried this method and the digitate hydroids would not let go of the rock. They get stretched out but they will not let go.
Ive picked one up with tweezers and it lifted a fair size piece of rubble rock with it. They are strong

steallife904 · 02/16/2017, 09:35 AM

can you remove rocks and scrub them off in a bucket then replace?

02/13/2017, 08:06 PM	#1
NanoReefLife Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 40	Coral dip as in tank medication Does anyone have experience using coral dip in low concentrations as in tank medication for dealing with pests ? Really interested to hear what others think.

02/14/2017, 07:52 AM	#2
sde1500 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Glocester, RI Posts: 3,336	A dip is a pretty concentrated does to take care of a pest. I don't see how a highly diluted does would do much. __________________ My build thread: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2548422 Current Tank Info: 65 gallon mixed reef, Eshopps sump and HOB overflow, RO-110int skimmer, Reefbreeder 32" photons V1.

02/14/2017, 12:04 PM	#8
GimpyFin Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,032	I personally would not do it. At least with Coral RX, the instructions specifically say do not use with inverts or fish and do not add to the aquarium (In bold letters.) You also are supposed to rinse the coral with SW after dip and before putting into the tank. __________________ Brian Current Tank Info: 110 gallon

02/15/2017, 09:48 AM	#12
billdogg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grove City, Ohio Posts: 10,806	I would think that you'd be way more likely to have pests build up resistance __________________ I'll try to be nice if you try to be smarter! I can't help that I grow older, but you can't make me grow up! Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef with 40b sump, RO 150 skimmer, AI Sol Blue x 2, and a 60g Frag Tank with 100g rubbermaid sump. 2 x Kessil A360w lights, BM curve 5 skimmer

02/14/2017, 09:36 AM	#4
steallife904 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 944	I don't think it would be effective in low concentrations. What pest are you trying to treat and what solution are you trying to use?

02/14/2017, 11:52 AM	#7
NanoReefLife Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 40	I know theyre stinging corals ive seen them retract upon touch. I also believe there is similar species of digitate hydroid as i was tired of hearing hearsay about these things so i put my hand in the tank and intentionally touched them and i can not feel a sting where others report a strong sting. Ive been maintaining stable water parameters and adding more equipment to the tank to provide better conditions coral health keeps declining or never increases. Before the out break i was getting the best growth ive seen so far meanwhile i had. unstable parameters. Since these hydroids have taken over it is very discouraging to get new corals Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk

02/15/2017, 09:27 AM	#11
steallife904 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 944	ya I really think it would be a bad idea to put the dip in the tank. I do have an idea though.... do you have a sump on this tank? If so why not just use a hose to siphon water from the display into a filter sock in the sump... the idea is to vacuum the hydroids up and into the filter sock to dump when done. By doing this into the sump you would be putting the water right back so could do this for a while and vacuum up a bunch of them.

02/16/2017, 09:35 AM	#14
steallife904 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 944	can you remove rocks and scrub them off in a bucket then replace?