Vortech MP40 - Gyre 150 - Jebao RW for 48x20x20 DSB-LPS tank

frank88 · 02/19/2015, 04:07 AM

What do you think the best solution for the movement of a tank 48x20x20 with 3.5 DSB

he aquarium is willing rest against the wall on the short side, I would have the two long sides and one short clear view without pumps

only LPS corals and few SOFT corals

These are the possible solutions:

1 vortech MP40
2 vortech MP40
2 jebao RW8
1 maxpect gyre 150

otherwise...

THANKS

AquaDesignHK · 02/19/2015, 07:30 AM

Im very new to saltwater. (but many years of freshwater) Recently set a 200 Litre tank. I have Jebao dc 2000 for sump and RW-4. They both works great. I love the wave modes of rw4. Cheap, silent and strong... I think Jebao one of the best option on wave makers if you consider price/efficency. Also saving energy.

frank88 · 02/19/2015, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaDesignHK

Im very new to saltwater. (but many years of freshwater) Recently set a 200 Litre tank. I have Jebao dc 2000 for sump and RW-4. They both works great. I love the wave modes of rw4. Cheap, silent and strong... I think Jebao one of the best option on wave makers if you consider price/efficency. Also saving energy.

my first idea was put on the short side two jebao rw 8...then I thought at maxpect gyre... vortech never excluded..

so... I'm very undecided..

ghostman · 02/19/2015, 10:56 AM

I think you achieve good flow with 1 Gyre XF150 mounted horizontally on the short side. Would that be possible with your overflows, etc? You'd get great water flow all across the tank. My second option would be for 2 MP40s, but that would be a lot of money to achieve the same thing.

frank88 · 02/19/2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ghostman

I think you achieve good flow with 1 Gyre XF150 mounted horizontally on the short side. Would that be possible with your overflows, etc? You'd get great water flow all across the tank. My second option would be for 2 MP40s, but that would be a lot of money to achieve the same thing.

so, you're saying that one maxpect gyre it's like two vortech mp40?

chadfarmer · 02/19/2015, 03:08 PM

for a lps or softy tank

u could do either of them

problem with one pump or gyre is no back up just incase it goes out

frank88 · 02/19/2015, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chadfarmer

for a lps or softy tank

u could do either of them

problem with one pump or gyre is no back up just incase it goes out

so, if I need two, one gyre it's not enough for a tank 48 inch long with lps? maxpect completely failed product..

I don't think..obviously two it'll be ever better.. but for my case.. I think it'll be enough one..

mikeatjac · 02/19/2015, 03:22 PM

My vote is for option 2.

ghostman · 02/19/2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by frank88

so, you're saying that one maxpect gyre it's like two vortech mp40?

In certain cases, it could work. If you had SPS, I'd vote for more flow. Since all your pumps are going one 1 wall of the aquarium, I think the gyre would be enough flow and not destroy corals in its path as a vortech on high speed would do.

mikeatjac · 02/19/2015, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by frank88

so, you're saying that one maxpect gyre it's like two vortech mp40?

I have both, I don't think either one is enough for your tank. The maxspect is just to linear by itself.

msderganc · 02/19/2015, 07:53 PM

I'm a huge proponent of the gyre, having two myself (and having used most other pumps out there). I think that your tank would be better served by two MP40s on the side facing the wall.

I say this because your tank is going to be mostly LPS. The Gyre, in my opinion, is better for SPS tanks as ghostman mentioned. With the MP40s pushing the length of the tank, you'll have about 8 inches directly in front of them where you won't be able to keep anything. The rest of the tank (depending on your rockwork) should get some nice flow.

Plus, with the new MP40 QDs, they'll be 40% stronger and nearly silent.

Reel North · 02/19/2015, 09:15 PM

I have an sps and lps tank and sold my mp40s after I got the gyre 150. Mine is vertical because of my corner overflows. Full poly extension all day. It's awesome

frank88 · 02/20/2015, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Reel North

I have an sps and lps tank and sold my mp40s after I got the gyre 150. Mine is vertical because of my corner overflows. Full poly extension all day. It's awesome

seeing the video and after reading the technical of the maxpect gyre I thought was perfect for my idea: Dsb+ lps specially euphyllia species, heliofungia, catalaphyllia ecc.. but obviously I thought to seek advice from people who already owns.. you confirm my idea but as you can read up.. other advise me vortech

because for their,these are more indicated for my tank....as always, everyone has their own idea, and the choice remains dubious ..

frank88 · 02/20/2015, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by msderganc

I'm a huge proponent of the gyre, having two myself (and having used most other pumps out there). I think that your tank would be better served by two MP40s on the side facing the wall.

I say this because your tank is going to be mostly LPS. The Gyre, in my opinion, is better for SPS tanks as ghostman mentioned. With the MP40s pushing the length of the tank, you'll have about 8 inches directly in front of them where you won't be able to keep anything. The rest of the tank (depending on your rockwork) should get some nice flow.

Plus, with the new MP40 QDs, they'll be 40% stronger and nearly silent.

sincerely, the new vortech are really awesome.. the only problem that this pump had was the noise (and directionality but large flow hide this problem ) now they reach almost the perfection..
but, the price, rest to high, people needing two in Europe have to pay 800,00 € and onestly it's a big big problem for Pocket in this time...

but one thing it's not clear.. I think that the flow of Gyre is enough wide to be perfect for lps.. instead how you say, it's better with sps... here I was a little surprised.. perhaps the flow of the gyre in reality is strong and perfect for keeping Sps.

frank88 · 02/20/2015, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ghostman

In certain cases, it could work. If you had SPS, I'd vote for more flow. Since all your pumps are going one 1 wall of the aquarium, I think the gyre would be enough flow and not destroy corals in its path as a vortech on high speed would do.

I won't keep sps, but only Lps.
as you wrote, I thought the same thing.. flow of gyre maybe more large and diffused so perfect for my lps..

frank88 · 02/20/2015, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeatjac

My vote is for option 2.

it's not too much for a lps tank in 48"?

mikeatjac · 02/20/2015, 03:05 AM

You can make the flow in your tank very chaotic two MP40. My gyre can't do that.

frank88 · 02/20/2015, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeatjac

You can make the flow in your tank very chaotic two MP40. My gyre can't do that.

Mike Mike.. I don't need

chaotic flow in my tank.. I need soft and diffused flow..

mikeatjac · 02/20/2015, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by frank88

Mike Mike.. I don't need

chaotic flow in my tank.. I need soft and diffused flow..

Frank, Frank.. Diffused is just chaotic on a slower setting. And I have never seen a tank, even softie, that has been healthy with a SOFT flow.

frank88 · 02/20/2015, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeatjac

Frank, Frank.. Diffused is just chaotic on a slower setting.

Mike I didn't understand

hobineros · 02/20/2015, 09:34 AM

I have a similar sized tank (standard 90g), and I switched out 2mp 40s on opposite sides for 1 gyre. It works great. My rock work creates randomness in the current and I use the gyre on switching mode, so it goes on reverse every 20 min. Plenty of randomness. The only spot I can say that lacks flow, is the corners directly beneath the gyre. OH well... no 100% solution except to live in the ocean!

frank88 · 02/20/2015, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hobineros

I have a similar sized tank (standard 90g), and I switched out 2mp 40s on opposite sides for 1 gyre. It works great. My rock work creates randomness in the current and I use the gyre on switching mode, so it goes on reverse every 20 min. Plenty of randomness. The only spot I can say that lacks flow, is the corners directly beneath the gyre. OH well... no 100% solution except to live in the ocean!

I don't understand well the reverse mode.. while I can confirm that, from the video I've seen, the water under the pump is not moved like the other part of the tank..

hobineros · 02/20/2015, 09:48 AM

Well the gyre flow is round and the tank is square. I accept the square peg round hole philosophy as an excuse for a little dead spot in the bottom corners. LOL!

Reverse mode just spins the motor backwards, the GPH is a lot weaker but does add a little randomness. I'd honestly say the reverse power is about 50% of the normal mode. SO my setting is 30% forward (anymore I start pushing sand on the far side) and 60% reverse.

hart24601 · 02/20/2015, 09:51 AM

For LPS I would put a gyre vertically on the back wall and run it alternating mode. The standard use would create too much flow for LPS and softies in a 48" tank, but pulse mode might work at a lower %. I would try both, but remember when using alternating mode you have to replace the one side. People got all upset about reverse mode but didn't read instructions saying you have to use the other paddle, pretty much makes it so one side moves water at a time, perfect for this IMO.

frank88 · 02/20/2015, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hart24601

For LPS I would put a gyre vertically on the back wall and run it alternating mode. The standard use would create too much flow for LPS and softies in a 48" tank, but pulse mode might work at a lower %. I would try both, but remember when using alternating mode you have to replace the one side. People got all upset about reverse mode but didn't read instructions saying you have to use the other paddle, pretty much makes it so one side moves water at a time, perfect for this IMO.

I have three side free.. two long side and one short side so I have to put the pumps in orizontal mode. if it is too high flow I'll reduce the power or isn't possible?

02/19/2015, 04:07 AM	#1
frank88 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 276	Vortech MP40 - Gyre 150 - Jebao RW for 48x20x20 DSB-LPS tank What do you think the best solution for the movement of a tank 48x20x20 with 3.5 DSB he aquarium is willing rest against the wall on the short side, I would have the two long sides and one short clear view without pumps only LPS corals and few SOFT corals These are the possible solutions: 1 vortech MP40 2 vortech MP40 2 jebao RW8 1 maxpect gyre 150 otherwise... THANKS __________________ Frank 88 from Rome (ITALY)

02/19/2015, 10:56 AM	#4
ghostman Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Spring Hill, Florida Posts: 1,629	I think you achieve good flow with 1 Gyre XF150 mounted horizontally on the short side. Would that be possible with your overflows, etc? You'd get great water flow all across the tank. My second option would be for 2 MP40s, but that would be a lot of money to achieve the same thing. __________________ When you die, you don't know you're dead. It's only difficult for the people around you. It's the same when you're stupid. Current Tank Info: 40IM Fusion, 40lbs of rock, and 20lbs of sand. Just a few fish and corals....for now.

02/19/2015, 03:08 PM	#6
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02/19/2015, 07:53 PM	#11
msderganc Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 672	I'm a huge proponent of the gyre, having two myself (and having used most other pumps out there). I think that your tank would be better served by two MP40s on the side facing the wall. I say this because your tank is going to be mostly LPS. The Gyre, in my opinion, is better for SPS tanks as ghostman mentioned. With the MP40s pushing the length of the tank, you'll have about 8 inches directly in front of them where you won't be able to keep anything. The rest of the tank (depending on your rockwork) should get some nice flow. Plus, with the new MP40 QDs, they'll be 40% stronger and nearly silent. __________________ - Matt Current Tank Info: 75g SPS ReefSavvy in the Works (prior: 260g SPS heavy system, 70g prop system, 29g Biocube)

02/19/2015, 07:30 AM	#2
AquaDesignHK Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 13	Im very new to saltwater. (but many years of freshwater) Recently set a 200 Litre tank. I have Jebao dc 2000 for sump and RW-4. They both works great. I love the wave modes of rw4. Cheap, silent and strong... I think Jebao one of the best option on wave makers if you consider price/efficency. Also saving energy.

02/19/2015, 03:22 PM	#8
mikeatjac Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 2,433	My vote is for option 2.

02/19/2015, 09:15 PM	#12
Reel North New King of Quarantine Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hammertown, Canada eh Posts: 1,175	I have an sps and lps tank and sold my mp40s after I got the gyre 150. Mine is vertical because of my corner overflows. Full poly extension all day. It's awesome

02/20/2015, 03:05 AM	#17
mikeatjac Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 2,433	You can make the flow in your tank very chaotic two MP40. My gyre can't do that.

02/20/2015, 09:34 AM	#21
hobineros Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 48	I have a similar sized tank (standard 90g), and I switched out 2mp 40s on opposite sides for 1 gyre. It works great. My rock work creates randomness in the current and I use the gyre on switching mode, so it goes on reverse every 20 min. Plenty of randomness. The only spot I can say that lacks flow, is the corners directly beneath the gyre. OH well... no 100% solution except to live in the ocean!

02/20/2015, 09:48 AM	#23
hobineros Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 48	Well the gyre flow is round and the tank is square. I accept the square peg round hole philosophy as an excuse for a little dead spot in the bottom corners. LOL! Reverse mode just spins the motor backwards, the GPH is a lot weaker but does add a little randomness. I'd honestly say the reverse power is about 50% of the normal mode. SO my setting is 30% forward (anymore I start pushing sand on the far side) and 60% reverse.

02/20/2015, 09:51 AM	#24
hart24601 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 633	For LPS I would put a gyre vertically on the back wall and run it alternating mode. The standard use would create too much flow for LPS and softies in a 48" tank, but pulse mode might work at a lower %. I would try both, but remember when using alternating mode you have to replace the one side. People got all upset about reverse mode but didn't read instructions saying you have to use the other paddle, pretty much makes it so one side moves water at a time, perfect for this IMO.