2x EDUCTORS & NO MORE POWERHEADS!! - Page 10

therman · 06/26/2007, 06:44 AM

I put one on a MJ1200 as well, it does a decent job of decreasing velocity and increasing water volume movement. Not quite as dramatic as with a stronger pump though.

I just went 1/2" vinyl tubing from the output to 1/2" barbX 3/4"MPT fitting to 3/4" FPTXFPT coupling to the eductor and used plastic hose clamps on the ends of the tubing.

ivgonmad · 06/27/2007, 01:37 AM

Did you see a substantial enough increase that you would recommend using them on a small pump like the MJ1200?

therman · 06/28/2007, 08:32 AM

I'd say its worth it in a smallish tank where you don't want a "blast zone" of very high flow right in front of the MJ. If you put it in the back corner of a small tank behind the rock I think you'd get some great water movement.

marino420td · 06/28/2007, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ivgonmad
I want to see some pics of these on Lockline, anybody?

The 45 elbows are a bit limiting in the angles you can point the Eductors...

Here is the one I made attached to Locline. Sorry the pics are not close ups but it is all I had for now.

End shot.

I can point it in any direction I want with it attached to the Locline.

Now I just have to find the time to make 3 more.

ivgonmad · 06/28/2007, 04:31 PM

Looks good

!

Why not try one of these instead of the 90 degree elbow?

http://www.modularhose.com/merchant2...ategory_Code=6

ivgonmad · 06/28/2007, 04:33 PM

Oh, wait, nevermind I think you are using one on the 90 elbow already ...

marino420td · 06/28/2007, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ivgonmad
Oh, wait, nevermind I think you are using one on the 90 elbow already ...

Yep. Couldn't figure out how to connect the eductor's male threads to the Locline without the elbow.

ivgonmad · 06/30/2007, 12:39 AM

A coupler that ha a 3/4" Female Thread on each side can join the eductor's 3/4" male thread to a 3/4" male threaded lockline piece

That 90 is robbing you of some valuable pressure

Nammy · 07/02/2007, 08:21 AM

Great thread!
Don't know how I missed it.

MC Lighting · 07/02/2007, 03:07 PM

I am thinking seriously about removing my seios and going with 4 of these I have a QO6000 anyone think this is enought to drive 4 of these?

ivgonmad · 07/02/2007, 04:42 PM

might not need 4, try 2 and see if that works, if you still need more add one more and so on.

OR 6000 should be ok to run at least 3

MC Lighting · 07/02/2007, 07:17 PM

I think I am going to rethink my circulation setup I like those that have the up front in gravel ports facing backwards I think I am going to run those as well as do some of these on 2 seperate pumps...

ivgonmad · 07/03/2007, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MC Lighting
I like those that have the up front in gravel ports facing backwards...

HUh? what are you talking about? LOL

MC Lighting · 07/03/2007, 01:19 PM

Sorry did not know I sounded that confusing here is a picture of what I am talking about from earlier in the thread....

ivgonmad · 07/03/2007, 02:49 PM

ohhh! i see, thanks for clarifying, it sounds like a great idea!

BigJPDC · 07/03/2007, 03:26 PM

Cool - thanks! I saw this at an LFS and decided to do my plumbing the same way. The primary function is to keep anything from settling on the substrate, and it works awesome, my sand has always been clean.

Here's how it started:

Other options are to sculpt some live rock to cover the outlets, or to glue GSP to them. I made sure they are 1" from the glass on all sides, so I can mag float around them. I have them pointing in the same direction, to get circular flow which keeps food from settling, and it's fun to watch the fish chase the food around the rocks.

HTH,
jp

ivgonmad · 07/03/2007, 03:48 PM

that looks great !

MC Lighting · 07/03/2007, 07:12 PM

that is about what I had in mind although I think I am gong to run 2 seperate lines down so that each side has its own line to give more flow and less preasure as I don't want to blow the corals everywhere just move a lot of water, although I am debating about even a 3rd outlet with twin locline output in the center of the tank at the front for even less dead spots. Then I will have the 2 existing mega flow outputs running from the chiller output on a seperate pump that will be part of the sump filtration loop. I have often wondered if I am moving too much water through the sump so I think I want to slow that down a bit and increase in tank flow with the use of the closed loop what do you all think?

ivgonmad · 07/03/2007, 07:28 PM

I'm sure 2 eductors and the manifold you already have installed on the bottom should be way more than enough for that tank

Remember that simple is better and makes the hobby more enjoyable!

andbigdaddy2 · 07/05/2007, 12:36 PM

Hey can some one take a pic of each part or label each part in the pic because its hard to find anything in lowes iof you dont know what you are looking for the part numbers help but pic with labels would make it that much easier

BigJPDC · 07/05/2007, 01:59 PM

you mean like on page 2?

hllywd · 07/05/2007, 02:13 PM

Who would ever think of reading the thread??!!??

Tim

andbigdaddy2 · 07/05/2007, 04:00 PM

I did the pic is not that great if you want to see each piece but thanks for pointing out the obvious you should work in Bush's cabinet.

CKreef · 07/05/2007, 09:24 PM

Was someone selling these on ebay?? I am interested in one but need a 3/4" one. Thanks Chris

ivgonmad · 07/06/2007, 04:13 AM

Not these, another design.

06/27/2007, 01:37 AM	#227
ivgonmad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 468	Did you see a substantial enough increase that you would recommend using them on a small pump like the MJ1200? __________________ 60g Frag Tank 60g Q.T. 240g Reef - 2x Dual 250w Coralvue MH Ballasts, 2x Custom Dual 250w Pendants, DAS EX-3 Protein Skimmer, GEN-X PCX-40 Return Pump, Iwaki 70 Closed Loop, Wave I Closed Loop, 4x Pacific Coast Flow Accelerators, GEO 612 Calcium Reactor w/Panworld Pump, 75g SDA Sump/Refugium, Fluorex 65w Floodlight Refugium Light Current Tank Info: 240g in the works B)

06/28/2007, 04:31 PM	#230
ivgonmad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 468	Looks good ! Why not try one of these instead of the 90 degree elbow? http://www.modularhose.com/merchant2...ategory_Code=6 __________________ 60g Frag Tank 60g Q.T. 240g Reef - 2x Dual 250w Coralvue MH Ballasts, 2x Custom Dual 250w Pendants, DAS EX-3 Protein Skimmer, GEN-X PCX-40 Return Pump, Iwaki 70 Closed Loop, Wave I Closed Loop, 4x Pacific Coast Flow Accelerators, GEO 612 Calcium Reactor w/Panworld Pump, 75g SDA Sump/Refugium, Fluorex 65w Floodlight Refugium Light Current Tank Info: 240g in the works B)

06/28/2007, 04:33 PM	#231
ivgonmad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 468	Oh, wait, nevermind I think you are using one on the 90 elbow already ... __________________ 60g Frag Tank 60g Q.T. 240g Reef - 2x Dual 250w Coralvue MH Ballasts, 2x Custom Dual 250w Pendants, DAS EX-3 Protein Skimmer, GEN-X PCX-40 Return Pump, Iwaki 70 Closed Loop, Wave I Closed Loop, 4x Pacific Coast Flow Accelerators, GEO 612 Calcium Reactor w/Panworld Pump, 75g SDA Sump/Refugium, Fluorex 65w Floodlight Refugium Light Current Tank Info: 240g in the works B)

06/30/2007, 12:39 AM	#233
ivgonmad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 468	A coupler that ha a 3/4" Female Thread on each side can join the eductor's 3/4" male thread to a 3/4" male threaded lockline piece That 90 is robbing you of some valuable pressure __________________ 60g Frag Tank 60g Q.T. 240g Reef - 2x Dual 250w Coralvue MH Ballasts, 2x Custom Dual 250w Pendants, DAS EX-3 Protein Skimmer, GEN-X PCX-40 Return Pump, Iwaki 70 Closed Loop, Wave I Closed Loop, 4x Pacific Coast Flow Accelerators, GEO 612 Calcium Reactor w/Panworld Pump, 75g SDA Sump/Refugium, Fluorex 65w Floodlight Refugium Light Current Tank Info: 240g in the works B)

07/02/2007, 03:07 PM	#235
MC Lighting Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: WA Posts: 351	I am thinking seriously about removing my seios and going with 4 of these I have a QO6000 anyone think this is enought to drive 4 of these? __________________ DSA 105g Rimless w/ 40g breeder sump, SWC skimmer, dual Ecotech Radion G3 Pro LED, Ecotech MP10DQ, EcoTech M1, Neptune Apex Current Tank Info: 105 DSA Rimless Reef

06/26/2007, 06:44 AM	#226
therman biodiversity enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Whitehouse, OH, USA Posts: 1,107	I put one on a MJ1200 as well, it does a decent job of decreasing velocity and increasing water volume movement. Not quite as dramatic as with a stronger pump though. I just went 1/2" vinyl tubing from the output to 1/2" barbX 3/4"MPT fitting to 3/4" FPTXFPT coupling to the eductor and used plastic hose clamps on the ends of the tubing.

06/28/2007, 08:32 AM	#228
therman biodiversity enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Whitehouse, OH, USA Posts: 1,107	I'd say its worth it in a smallish tank where you don't want a "blast zone" of very high flow right in front of the MJ. If you put it in the back corner of a small tank behind the rock I think you'd get some great water movement.

07/02/2007, 08:21 AM	#234
Nammy Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Maryland Posts: 1,638	Great thread! Don't know how I missed it.

07/02/2007, 04:42 PM	#236
ivgonmad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 468	might not need 4, try 2 and see if that works, if you still need more add one more and so on. OR 6000 should be ok to run at least 3 __________________ 60g Frag Tank 60g Q.T. 240g Reef - 2x Dual 250w Coralvue MH Ballasts, 2x Custom Dual 250w Pendants, DAS EX-3 Protein Skimmer, GEN-X PCX-40 Return Pump, Iwaki 70 Closed Loop, Wave I Closed Loop, 4x Pacific Coast Flow Accelerators, GEO 612 Calcium Reactor w/Panworld Pump, 75g SDA Sump/Refugium, Fluorex 65w Floodlight Refugium Light Current Tank Info: 240g in the works B)

07/02/2007, 07:17 PM	#237
MC Lighting Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: WA Posts: 351	I think I am going to rethink my circulation setup I like those that have the up front in gravel ports facing backwards I think I am going to run those as well as do some of these on 2 seperate pumps... __________________ DSA 105g Rimless w/ 40g breeder sump, SWC skimmer, dual Ecotech Radion G3 Pro LED, Ecotech MP10DQ, EcoTech M1, Neptune Apex Current Tank Info: 105 DSA Rimless Reef

07/03/2007, 01:19 PM	#239
MC Lighting Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: WA Posts: 351	Sorry did not know I sounded that confusing here is a picture of what I am talking about from earlier in the thread.... __________________ DSA 105g Rimless w/ 40g breeder sump, SWC skimmer, dual Ecotech Radion G3 Pro LED, Ecotech MP10DQ, EcoTech M1, Neptune Apex Current Tank Info: 105 DSA Rimless Reef

07/03/2007, 02:49 PM	#240
ivgonmad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 468	ohhh! i see, thanks for clarifying, it sounds like a great idea! __________________ 60g Frag Tank 60g Q.T. 240g Reef - 2x Dual 250w Coralvue MH Ballasts, 2x Custom Dual 250w Pendants, DAS EX-3 Protein Skimmer, GEN-X PCX-40 Return Pump, Iwaki 70 Closed Loop, Wave I Closed Loop, 4x Pacific Coast Flow Accelerators, GEO 612 Calcium Reactor w/Panworld Pump, 75g SDA Sump/Refugium, Fluorex 65w Floodlight Refugium Light Current Tank Info: 240g in the works B)

07/03/2007, 03:26 PM	#241
BigJPDC Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 959	Cool - thanks! I saw this at an LFS and decided to do my plumbing the same way. The primary function is to keep anything from settling on the substrate, and it works awesome, my sand has always been clean. Here's how it started: Other options are to sculpt some live rock to cover the outlets, or to glue GSP to them. I made sure they are 1" from the glass on all sides, so I can mag float around them. I have them pointing in the same direction, to get circular flow which keeps food from settling, and it's fun to watch the fish chase the food around the rocks. HTH, jp __________________ Rock in the tank is money not in my bank. Current Tank Info: 65 RR AGA

07/03/2007, 03:48 PM	#242
ivgonmad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 468	that looks great ! __________________ 60g Frag Tank 60g Q.T. 240g Reef - 2x Dual 250w Coralvue MH Ballasts, 2x Custom Dual 250w Pendants, DAS EX-3 Protein Skimmer, GEN-X PCX-40 Return Pump, Iwaki 70 Closed Loop, Wave I Closed Loop, 4x Pacific Coast Flow Accelerators, GEO 612 Calcium Reactor w/Panworld Pump, 75g SDA Sump/Refugium, Fluorex 65w Floodlight Refugium Light Current Tank Info: 240g in the works B)

07/03/2007, 07:12 PM	#243
MC Lighting Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: WA Posts: 351	that is about what I had in mind although I think I am gong to run 2 seperate lines down so that each side has its own line to give more flow and less preasure as I don't want to blow the corals everywhere just move a lot of water, although I am debating about even a 3rd outlet with twin locline output in the center of the tank at the front for even less dead spots. Then I will have the 2 existing mega flow outputs running from the chiller output on a seperate pump that will be part of the sump filtration loop. I have often wondered if I am moving too much water through the sump so I think I want to slow that down a bit and increase in tank flow with the use of the closed loop what do you all think? __________________ DSA 105g Rimless w/ 40g breeder sump, SWC skimmer, dual Ecotech Radion G3 Pro LED, Ecotech MP10DQ, EcoTech M1, Neptune Apex Current Tank Info: 105 DSA Rimless Reef

07/03/2007, 07:28 PM	#244
ivgonmad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 468	I'm sure 2 eductors and the manifold you already have installed on the bottom should be way more than enough for that tank Remember that simple is better and makes the hobby more enjoyable! __________________ 60g Frag Tank 60g Q.T. 240g Reef - 2x Dual 250w Coralvue MH Ballasts, 2x Custom Dual 250w Pendants, DAS EX-3 Protein Skimmer, GEN-X PCX-40 Return Pump, Iwaki 70 Closed Loop, Wave I Closed Loop, 4x Pacific Coast Flow Accelerators, GEO 612 Calcium Reactor w/Panworld Pump, 75g SDA Sump/Refugium, Fluorex 65w Floodlight Refugium Light Current Tank Info: 240g in the works B)

07/05/2007, 12:36 PM	#245
andbigdaddy2 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jax,FL Posts: 114	Hey can some one take a pic of each part or label each part in the pic because its hard to find anything in lowes iof you dont know what you are looking for the part numbers help but pic with labels would make it that much easier

07/05/2007, 01:59 PM	#246
BigJPDC Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 959	you mean like on page 2? __________________ Rock in the tank is money not in my bank. Current Tank Info: 65 RR AGA

07/05/2007, 02:13 PM	#247
hllywd Premier World Traveler Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,293	Who would ever think of reading the thread??!!?? Tim __________________ "The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease forever to be able to do it..." J.M. Barrie Current Tank Info: 210 AGA RR, Apex, 3x Kessil A360W & 2x 80W T5s, GEO 618 Ca Rx, BM220 CS2 skimmer, Tunze 6100s, 42" ETSS/AE Tech refugium/sump

07/05/2007, 04:00 PM	#248
andbigdaddy2 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jax,FL Posts: 114	I did the pic is not that great if you want to see each piece but thanks for pointing out the obvious you should work in Bush's cabinet.

07/05/2007, 09:24 PM	#249
CKreef Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ashland City Posts: 1,614	Was someone selling these on ebay?? I am interested in one but need a 3/4" one. Thanks Chris

07/06/2007, 04:13 AM	#250
ivgonmad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 468	Not these, another design. __________________ 60g Frag Tank 60g Q.T. 240g Reef - 2x Dual 250w Coralvue MH Ballasts, 2x Custom Dual 250w Pendants, DAS EX-3 Protein Skimmer, GEN-X PCX-40 Return Pump, Iwaki 70 Closed Loop, Wave I Closed Loop, 4x Pacific Coast Flow Accelerators, GEO 612 Calcium Reactor w/Panworld Pump, 75g SDA Sump/Refugium, Fluorex 65w Floodlight Refugium Light Current Tank Info: 240g in the works B)