Logik's Monster 10 - Page 5

logiktest · 04/16/2008, 11:52 AM

Please feel free to post any questions you may have on my thread. I would like to share as much information as I can with everyone, but if I don't know what I have left out, I will not know what information to add.

I will do my best to answer any of your questions.

logiktest · 04/16/2008, 03:34 PM

Here are some of the stain colors I have been looking at from the Minwax website.To see the color swatches please visit This Color Page
, scroll down until you see four little red boxes, and select "colors".

Please let me know what you think would be a cool looking color!!

Reeferhead · 04/16/2008, 03:41 PM

Mike,

I'f you want to line that canopy with Mylar, I have a whole roll of it sitting in my shed. LMK

Homereef · 04/16/2008, 03:48 PM

I thought mylar was a no no. It supposedly degrades ?

jcjstl · 04/16/2008, 04:01 PM

you mentioned blue... i think the Pearl Gray,Onyx and Aegean are cool

Im Lon 2 · 04/16/2008, 05:10 PM

Midnight Blue. that look like that one would be nice.. A little darker than the Deep Ocean

Midnight Blue

Deep Ocean

are you going for Color or a stained look?

rccub23 · 04/16/2008, 08:29 PM

mike, PM me your phone number. i lost it..........again

Reeferhead · 04/17/2008, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Homereef
I thought mylar was a no no. It supposedly degrades ?

Your right, it will degrade after about 4-6 months. With good ventilation it will last longer. It doesn't hold up to the salty humid environment the best. It tends to lose it reflectivity over time. However, its so cheap you can just slap some new stuff on and its 99% reflective when new. Much better than just white paint, IMO, night and day difference.

logiktest · 04/17/2008, 12:15 PM

Reeferhead, Whoa! Mylar?! Really?! Did you use that to build solar sails for your spacecraft?! I guess if it's good enough for a NASA satellite, I could consider it for my reef.

My biggest worry about Mylar (or white paint) in the canopy is that most of the light will reflect back onto the lights themselves, degrading the bulbs and/or creating excess heat in the canopy.

Homereef, See above. Without a specialized reflector of some sort, I'm having a hard time trying to justify the benefits of wrapping/painting the canopy.

jcjstl, Good call. I like those colors, they are pretty cool. So many choices!

Im Lon 2, How did you post the actual colors? Earlier I was trying to post the whole list of color swatches to no avail... If you can, would you post it here please?

I don't fully understand your question about "going for stain or color". I would like to see the grain?

rccub23, Tis' all good, message sent.

michealprater · 04/17/2008, 01:24 PM

What about aluminum foil?

Nanook · 04/18/2008, 12:28 AM

I like Deep Ocean.

Angler02 · 04/18/2008, 09:22 PM

Could you maybe just dip the lights in the water? Then you wouldn't have to worry about any reflection.

Homereef · 04/18/2008, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reeferhead
Your right, it will degrade after about 4-6 months. With good ventilation it will last longer. It doesn't hold up to the salty humid environment the best. It tends to lose it reflectivity over time. However, its so cheap you can just slap some new stuff on and its 99% reflective when new. Much better than just white paint, IMO, night and day difference.

I have never been so right but yet so wrong at the same time

"its 99% reflective when new."
Where does that 1% of light go ?

Logi, if I am understanding you right, you really should see the benifit of atleast sealing the canopy with some protective paint, making it white will add the benifit of reflecting light.

Bare wood does not hold up to salt creep.

logiktest · 04/19/2008, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KvcGsxr600
Could you maybe just dip the lights in the water? Then you wouldn't have to worry about any reflection.

I could. Aside from safety, it would detract from viewing the tank, and cause a heat issue due to the amount of lights.

Homereef, There is no doubt about protection. I will likely use a few coats of spar urethane or equivalent. The heat from the lighting alone is enough to damage the wood, let alone saltwater.

The benefit I am missing is using a reflective material in the shape of a box, and expecting it to reflect much light into the tank. Is this wrong?

michealprater · 04/19/2008, 07:26 AM

Seal the canopy in white, then glue aluminum foil in it. Should be a cheap solution and will be reflective.

logiktest · 04/19/2008, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by michealprater
Seal the canopy in white, then glue aluminum foil in it. Should be a cheap solution and will be reflective.

Would this help because the foil would be kinda "crinkley", directing light to the water?

michealprater · 04/19/2008, 09:11 AM

I think so. You used an alternative method with the bulbs. Give it a try, you could always tear it out. LOL

StupidsReef · 04/20/2008, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by logiktest

The benefit I am missing is using a reflective material in the shape of a box, and expecting it to reflect much light into the tank. Is this wrong?

Ok first off, Dude I've got all the answers for ya. But I need that car.......The one in your Avidtar, yea that's it look to your left you see it.....right there under your SN (screen name) yep I need that car & in return I give you all the answer's

Ok if need be dude I can "loan" you some purple, Redish with a hint of blue sticky stuff. After ahhhh, useing it?? You can open your mind up to see the benefit of using a refective material in the shape of a box. Once you use the "loaner" product of mine you'll relize that light will reflect in any dirrection that is possiable. It bounces, bends, swings, curves and flips. So in a box it will reflect. If light hits the color white, it bounces back........I'm hungry & thristy I got go

logiktest · 04/20/2008, 11:46 AM

I'll tell you what... I'll give you my Avatar if you can tell me what car it is.

Really, I will. If you really want it, I will answer three questions about it. Then you tell me what it is. After that... maybe you can have it, maybe not.

Teasing me again with the sweet sticky iky iky oooowweeeee. My P.O. would just love to kick my a** next wed. for that idea.

"It bounces, bends, swings, curves and flips. So in a box it will reflect. If light hits the color white, it bounces back"

OK, but won't most of the light bounce, bend, swing, curve, and do kickflips right back at the bulbs?

rccub23 · 04/20/2008, 11:52 AM

you are putting way too much thought into this. you are killing brain cells. and we both know that neither one of us has the ability to restock.

and about your avatar. here are my three questions.
what kind of car is it.
what kind of car is it.
what kind of car is it.
can i have it now.

TJ_Burton · 04/20/2008, 11:58 AM

Interesting Build.

I use one of those Blue Party Bulbs PC's as a moonlight on my 20L. I am curious to see how that lighting setup turns out for you.

deluxe_noob · 04/20/2008, 09:31 PM

Ferrari or a Lotus?

logiktest · 04/20/2008, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rccub23
and about your avatar. here are my three questions.
what kind of car is it.
what kind of car is it.
what kind of car is it.
can i have it now.

Blue.
Shiny.
Fast.
No cheating Charlie!

logiktest · 04/20/2008, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TJ_Burton
Interesting Build.

I use one of those Blue Party Bulbs PC's as a moonlight on my 20L. I am curious to see how that lighting setup turns out for you.

Thank you TJ Burton. I hope It turns out as well as I think it will. I'm very happy with the color of the tank so far.

logiktest · 04/20/2008, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by deluxe_noob
Ferrari or a Lotus?

Neither.

04/16/2008, 11:52 AM	#101
logiktest Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zone 5 Posts: 4,071	Please feel free to post any questions you may have on my thread. I would like to share as much information as I can with everyone, but if I don't know what I have left out, I will not know what information to add. I will do my best to answer any of your questions. __________________ Mike Have you ever looked around at the group of people you are in and thought, "If the Zombie Apocalypse happens right now, this is what I have to work with." Current Tank Info: 140.5gal. goldfish bowl

04/16/2008, 03:34 PM	#102
logiktest Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zone 5 Posts: 4,071	Here are some of the stain colors I have been looking at from the Minwax website.To see the color swatches please visit This Color Page , scroll down until you see four little red boxes, and select "colors". Please let me know what you think would be a cool looking color!! __________________ Mike Have you ever looked around at the group of people you are in and thought, "If the Zombie Apocalypse happens right now, this is what I have to work with." Current Tank Info: 140.5gal. goldfish bowl

04/16/2008, 03:41 PM	#103
Reeferhead Recovering Reef Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lahaina, Maui, Hawaii Posts: 4,856	Mike, I'f you want to line that canopy with Mylar, I have a whole roll of it sitting in my shed. LMK __________________ Nick St. Louis Area Saltwater Hobbyists' (SLASH) Coral Donor Program (CDP) Because, "Friends don't let friends pay $50 a polyp!" Over 200 different corals and counting... Current Tank Info: 352 Quintillion Gallon

04/16/2008, 04:01 PM	#105
jcjstl Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO (Maryland Heights) Posts: 590	you mentioned blue... i think the Pearl Gray,Onyx and Aegean are cool __________________ Joe Current Tank Info: Current cardiff tank and 240 inwall

04/16/2008, 05:10 PM	#106
Im Lon 2 Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Granite City, IL (St. Louis area) Posts: 5,529	Midnight Blue. that look like that one would be nice.. A little darker than the Deep Ocean Midnight Blue Deep Ocean are you going for Color or a stained look? __________________ Lonnie WWLD® ------------------------------------------------ Friends don't let friends buy PC lighting. Current Tank Info: Coming soon -- 180G (Glass Cages) In-Wall - Reef - 100g sump - 30g Fuge - - Octopus DNW 300 - 8 * 54 watt T5's

04/16/2008, 03:48 PM	#104
Homereef Moved On Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 160	I thought mylar was a no no. It supposedly degrades ?

04/16/2008, 08:29 PM	#107
rccub23 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: troy, mo. Posts: 690	mike, PM me your phone number. i lost it..........again

04/17/2008, 12:15 PM	#109
logiktest Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zone 5 Posts: 4,071	Reeferhead, Whoa! Mylar?! Really?! Did you use that to build solar sails for your spacecraft?! I guess if it's good enough for a NASA satellite, I could consider it for my reef. My biggest worry about Mylar (or white paint) in the canopy is that most of the light will reflect back onto the lights themselves, degrading the bulbs and/or creating excess heat in the canopy. Homereef, See above. Without a specialized reflector of some sort, I'm having a hard time trying to justify the benefits of wrapping/painting the canopy. jcjstl, Good call. I like those colors, they are pretty cool. So many choices! Im Lon 2, How did you post the actual colors? Earlier I was trying to post the whole list of color swatches to no avail... If you can, would you post it here please? I don't fully understand your question about "going for stain or color". I would like to see the grain? rccub23, Tis' all good, message sent. __________________ Mike Have you ever looked around at the group of people you are in and thought, "If the Zombie Apocalypse happens right now, this is what I have to work with." Current Tank Info: 140.5gal. goldfish bowl

04/17/2008, 01:24 PM	#110
michealprater Angelfish Nerd Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Grantfork, IL Posts: 5,465 Blog Entries: 1	What about aluminum foil? __________________ __________________________ Micheal Current Tank Info: 40 Gallon Breeder Reef

04/18/2008, 12:28 AM	#111
Nanook Ancient Eskimo Legend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Saint Louis, MO Posts: 41,852 Blog Entries: 11	I like Deep Ocean. __________________ The wind blew, the chit flew, and then they came two by two. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Tank Info: 375g Tanganyikan Tank & 470g mixed reef

04/18/2008, 09:22 PM	#112
Angler02 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: St Charles Posts: 3,544	Could you maybe just dip the lights in the water? Then you wouldn't have to worry about any reflection. __________________ Sometimes things fall apart so something better can fall together. Current Tank Info: Tall Jason has it!!!!!

04/19/2008, 07:26 AM	#115
michealprater Angelfish Nerd Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Grantfork, IL Posts: 5,465 Blog Entries: 1	Seal the canopy in white, then glue aluminum foil in it. Should be a cheap solution and will be reflective. __________________ __________________________ Micheal Current Tank Info: 40 Gallon Breeder Reef

04/19/2008, 09:11 AM	#117
michealprater Angelfish Nerd Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Grantfork, IL Posts: 5,465 Blog Entries: 1	I think so. You used an alternative method with the bulbs. Give it a try, you could always tear it out. LOL __________________ __________________________ Micheal Current Tank Info: 40 Gallon Breeder Reef

04/20/2008, 11:46 AM	#119
logiktest Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zone 5 Posts: 4,071	I'll tell you what... I'll give you my Avatar if you can tell me what car it is. Really, I will. If you really want it, I will answer three questions about it. Then you tell me what it is. After that... maybe you can have it, maybe not. Teasing me again with the sweet sticky iky iky oooowweeeee. My P.O. would just love to kick my a** next wed. for that idea. "It bounces, bends, swings, curves and flips. So in a box it will reflect. If light hits the color white, it bounces back" OK, but won't most of the light bounce, bend, swing, curve, and do kickflips right back at the bulbs? __________________ Mike Have you ever looked around at the group of people you are in and thought, "If the Zombie Apocalypse happens right now, this is what I have to work with." Current Tank Info: 140.5gal. goldfish bowl

04/20/2008, 11:52 AM	#120
rccub23 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: troy, mo. Posts: 690	you are putting way too much thought into this. you are killing brain cells. and we both know that neither one of us has the ability to restock. and about your avatar. here are my three questions. what kind of car is it. what kind of car is it. what kind of car is it. can i have it now.

04/20/2008, 11:58 AM	#121
TJ_Burton Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Posts: 154	Interesting Build. I use one of those Blue Party Bulbs PC's as a moonlight on my 20L. I am curious to see how that lighting setup turns out for you. __________________ TJ Burton Current Tank Info: 20 Gallon SPS Reef, 25 Gallon SPS Reef, 8 Gallon Eunice

04/20/2008, 09:31 PM	#122
deluxe_noob Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: little town, IL Posts: 120	Ferrari or a Lotus? __________________ Sometimes your the windshield Sometimes your the bug Current Tank Info: 29g 20L sump ,150w (HQI) 10k Aquamedic , ASM MIniG, Mag7 , Seio 620 , Korilla 1