Acro Growth

Scubajoe1 · 08/25/2015, 07:45 PM

Here are a few pics of some acro growth over two month period. Trying to take the same pics each month now but color is not always the same. Guess I should take at the same time of day.

Pics on the bottom are about 2 months ago and on top are this week. Don't pay so much attention to the color as that changes depending on time of day.

More comparisons are on the page. I can't get a photo to show up on my posts for some reason only links. Please let me know if you can see the set of pics.

Pife · 08/25/2015, 08:24 PM

Embed your photos and you'll get more responses.

Scubajoe1 · 08/25/2015, 08:40 PM

I tried that but they show up as little boxes with question marks. Any idea how to do it? I clock on the photo icon and inset the link but no luck.

Pife · 08/25/2015, 09:03 PM

Click the little box with the mountain landscape and insert the url there. Then before you post click go advanced or preview post and see if you pictures show up.

Scubajoe1 · 08/25/2015, 09:36 PM

OK here are a couple of the pics. Depends which link I choose from photo bucket apparently. Thanks

Pife · 08/25/2015, 11:23 PM

Your top acro looks to be stning.

Scubajoe1 · 08/26/2015, 04:27 AM

stning?

nemodan · 08/26/2015, 04:39 AM

STN: slow tissue necropsy

Stning..... Having STN

kevin_e · 08/26/2015, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nemodan

STN: slow tissue necropsy

Stning..... Having STN

Yes, it doesn't look healthy. Losing tissue and no polyp extension.

Scubajoe1 · 08/26/2015, 07:46 AM

It's looked the same for two months now and never had any polyp extension even in the store. It's also encrusted quite substantially around the base in two months. I don't think a dying SPS would be encrusting so much but maybe. If this is STN do you recommend a revive dip?

Current water parameters: Alkalinity 9.45, Ca 449, phosphates: 0.06 ppm, nitrates 1.5 ppm, Mg 1400, Temp always between 78.5 and 79.1

No biopellets or GFO for at least 4 months. Water was way too clean at one point so I removed those. Removed those from my signature as well but they seem to still be there.

JB NY · 08/26/2015, 08:00 AM

I don't think it looks to be STN, I think it is just some shadowing in the picture. A lot of corals will lay down a good base in the beginning and then take time to start showing some real growth at the branches. Right now it is growing, it is just not growing like you want it to.

Pife · 08/26/2015, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scubajoe1

In the top picture the acro looks to have lost a large portion of skin and there is a new bright white chunk of skeleton exposed. Could you get a better picture of that area?

Scubajoe1 · 08/26/2015, 05:06 PM

So I did a dip on the coral in revive to make sure there were no AEFL and I am all clear there. It does not look like it's losing tissue but there are some spots where the color is lighter. The underside of this coral is a light brown while the top par is a bright green. I am guessing it's because it's not getting light or as much light on the underside. Is this common? Should I move it up to get more light?

Thanks

Joe

Scubajoe1 · 08/26/2015, 06:51 PM

feedback from James at vivid aquariums.

Joe,
That is pretty common to see the underside either a lighter color or brown due to lack of light, but that is normal for most acros particularly the ones that grow very dense. Tissue necrosis would be bone white when the flesh comes off. On a side note i will say that this is much more noticeable when you run LEDs since their light is very directional. If the top half of the coral looks good i would leave it where it is.

James

Thank You,
Vivid Aquariums

kevin_e · 08/27/2015, 06:07 AM

Call it what you want, but there is definite tissue loss. you can clearly see where the tissue ends and the skeleton is exposed. It could very well be from light shadowing, however, that coral is pretty small for that to be the likely cause. Exposed skeleton will turn brown or sometimes darker with a green hint very, very quickly after losing the tissue covering it.

The lack of polyp extension is more troubling to me. It's definitely not happy.

nemodan · 08/27/2015, 06:54 AM

Definitely there is missing tissue. But as said, I have learned , on my corals, that in situations like those, to leave the coral alone and have an eye on it. If in 2-3 days it progress, then you have STN. If not, it will just stay like that.

As said also, no polyp extension is an alarm sign. Does this Acro extend its polyps at night ? Take a look to it after 2 hours the lights went off. You have to see the polyps out looking for food. If they are not out...... then I see a problem.

Scubajoe1 · 08/27/2015, 06:59 AM

I will let you know if a couple months. I took it out and examined it with a magnifying glass. There is no exposed skeleton. I have seen what exposed coral skeleton looks like.

I have seen this comment in many places when asked what is wrong because I don't see any poly extension.

Nothing - Some SPS just don't have good polyp extension - FWIW, polyps extension isn't always a good determination of whether a coral is healthy or not.

All parameters are good, all other corals are healthy and this one is still growing but like I said I will report back in a couple months. This is a pretty good sized acro about the size of my closed fist. It does not get any light on the underside except for a little reflected light.

08/25/2015, 07:45 PM	#1
Scubajoe1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 409	Acro Growth Here are a few pics of some acro growth over two month period. Trying to take the same pics each month now but color is not always the same. Guess I should take at the same time of day. Pics on the bottom are about 2 months ago and on top are this week. Don't pay so much attention to the color as that changes depending on time of day. More comparisons are on the page. I can't get a photo to show up on my posts for some reason only links. Please let me know if you can see the set of pics. __________________ Scubajoe 180 Gallon reef tank with coast to coast Herbie overflow. 60 Gallon sump with 9" filter sock. 36" lifereef skimmer, activated carbon filter. Emperor Aquatics 40W UV Sterilizer Current Tank Info: 180 gallon reed tank, coast to coast overflow, herbie overflow. Life reef sump and 36" life reef skimmer, GHL Doser 2, Neptune Apex reef controller, Auto topoff, Spectrapure RO system with a Tunze RO controller. activated carbon and no more GFO. Last edited by Scubajoe1; 08/25/2015 at 08:45 PM. Reason: photos not posting

08/25/2015, 08:24 PM	#2
Pife Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 7,408	Embed your photos and you'll get more responses. __________________ Brandon I'm not saying let's get rid of all the stupid people.* I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem work itself out. Current Tank Info: 150g DT plumbed to an 80g frag tank and 220g sump in the basement. ~6-MP40s ~ 12 ATI powered t5s ~ Reefbrites and Radions supplementing ~ Custom GEO Skimmer ~ GEO CA Reactor 6x24~ Iwaki 70 Return ~

08/25/2015, 08:40 PM	#3
Scubajoe1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 409	I tried that but they show up as little boxes with question marks. Any idea how to do it? I clock on the photo icon and inset the link but no luck. __________________ Scubajoe 180 Gallon reef tank with coast to coast Herbie overflow. 60 Gallon sump with 9" filter sock. 36" lifereef skimmer, activated carbon filter. Emperor Aquatics 40W UV Sterilizer Current Tank Info: 180 gallon reed tank, coast to coast overflow, herbie overflow. Life reef sump and 36" life reef skimmer, GHL Doser 2, Neptune Apex reef controller, Auto topoff, Spectrapure RO system with a Tunze RO controller. activated carbon and no more GFO.

08/25/2015, 09:03 PM	#4
Pife Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 7,408	Click the little box with the mountain landscape and insert the url there. Then before you post click go advanced or preview post and see if you pictures show up. __________________ Brandon I'm not saying let's get rid of all the stupid people.* I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem work itself out. Current Tank Info: 150g DT plumbed to an 80g frag tank and 220g sump in the basement. ~6-MP40s ~ 12 ATI powered t5s ~ Reefbrites and Radions supplementing ~ Custom GEO Skimmer ~ GEO CA Reactor 6x24~ Iwaki 70 Return ~

08/25/2015, 09:36 PM	#5
Scubajoe1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 409	OK here are a couple of the pics. Depends which link I choose from photo bucket apparently. Thanks __________________ Scubajoe 180 Gallon reef tank with coast to coast Herbie overflow. 60 Gallon sump with 9" filter sock. 36" lifereef skimmer, activated carbon filter. Emperor Aquatics 40W UV Sterilizer Current Tank Info: 180 gallon reed tank, coast to coast overflow, herbie overflow. Life reef sump and 36" life reef skimmer, GHL Doser 2, Neptune Apex reef controller, Auto topoff, Spectrapure RO system with a Tunze RO controller. activated carbon and no more GFO.

08/25/2015, 11:23 PM	#6
Pife Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 7,408	Your top acro looks to be stning. __________________ Brandon I'm not saying let's get rid of all the stupid people.* I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem work itself out. Current Tank Info: 150g DT plumbed to an 80g frag tank and 220g sump in the basement. ~6-MP40s ~ 12 ATI powered t5s ~ Reefbrites and Radions supplementing ~ Custom GEO Skimmer ~ GEO CA Reactor 6x24~ Iwaki 70 Return ~

08/26/2015, 04:27 AM	#7
Scubajoe1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 409	stning? __________________ Scubajoe 180 Gallon reef tank with coast to coast Herbie overflow. 60 Gallon sump with 9" filter sock. 36" lifereef skimmer, activated carbon filter. Emperor Aquatics 40W UV Sterilizer Current Tank Info: 180 gallon reed tank, coast to coast overflow, herbie overflow. Life reef sump and 36" life reef skimmer, GHL Doser 2, Neptune Apex reef controller, Auto topoff, Spectrapure RO system with a Tunze RO controller. activated carbon and no more GFO.

08/26/2015, 04:39 AM	#8
nemodan Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Westford, MA Posts: 1,063	STN: slow tissue necropsy Stning..... Having STN

08/26/2015, 07:46 AM	#10
Scubajoe1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 409	It's looked the same for two months now and never had any polyp extension even in the store. It's also encrusted quite substantially around the base in two months. I don't think a dying SPS would be encrusting so much but maybe. If this is STN do you recommend a revive dip? Current water parameters: Alkalinity 9.45, Ca 449, phosphates: 0.06 ppm, nitrates 1.5 ppm, Mg 1400, Temp always between 78.5 and 79.1 No biopellets or GFO for at least 4 months. Water was way too clean at one point so I removed those. Removed those from my signature as well but they seem to still be there. __________________ Scubajoe 180 Gallon reef tank with coast to coast Herbie overflow. 60 Gallon sump with 9" filter sock. 36" lifereef skimmer, activated carbon filter. Emperor Aquatics 40W UV Sterilizer Current Tank Info: 180 gallon reed tank, coast to coast overflow, herbie overflow. Life reef sump and 36" life reef skimmer, GHL Doser 2, Neptune Apex reef controller, Auto topoff, Spectrapure RO system with a Tunze RO controller. activated carbon and no more GFO. Last edited by Scubajoe1; 08/26/2015 at 07:56 AM.

08/26/2015, 08:00 AM	#11
JB NY Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 9,207	I don't think it looks to be STN, I think it is just some shadowing in the picture. A lot of corals will lay down a good base in the beginning and then take time to start showing some real growth at the branches. Right now it is growing, it is just not growing like you want it to. __________________ -Joe TOTM Sept 2002 \| Reefland April 2004 \| CORAL Magazine Nov 2007 Featured Tank "Coral Reef Aquarium" 2011 \| Reef Spotlight 2018 Current Tank Info: 270G SPS Tank, 140G sumps, 35G Frag Tank, Ultra Reef Akula UKS-200 Skimmer, Apex, Giesemann Spectra 3x250W MH 4x80W T5, 2xReefbrite Tech 72" Blue LED, Triton Dosing, ARID C30 Algae Reactor, Maxspect Gyre

08/26/2015, 05:06 PM	#13
Scubajoe1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 409	So I did a dip on the coral in revive to make sure there were no AEFL and I am all clear there. It does not look like it's losing tissue but there are some spots where the color is lighter. The underside of this coral is a light brown while the top par is a bright green. I am guessing it's because it's not getting light or as much light on the underside. Is this common? Should I move it up to get more light? Thanks Joe __________________ Scubajoe 180 Gallon reef tank with coast to coast Herbie overflow. 60 Gallon sump with 9" filter sock. 36" lifereef skimmer, activated carbon filter. Emperor Aquatics 40W UV Sterilizer Current Tank Info: 180 gallon reed tank, coast to coast overflow, herbie overflow. Life reef sump and 36" life reef skimmer, GHL Doser 2, Neptune Apex reef controller, Auto topoff, Spectrapure RO system with a Tunze RO controller. activated carbon and no more GFO.

08/26/2015, 06:51 PM	#14
Scubajoe1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 409	feedback from James at vivid aquariums. Joe, That is pretty common to see the underside either a lighter color or brown due to lack of light, but that is normal for most acros particularly the ones that grow very dense. Tissue necrosis would be bone white when the flesh comes off. On a side note i will say that this is much more noticeable when you run LEDs since their light is very directional. If the top half of the coral looks good i would leave it where it is. James Thank You, Vivid Aquariums __________________ Scubajoe 180 Gallon reef tank with coast to coast Herbie overflow. 60 Gallon sump with 9" filter sock. 36" lifereef skimmer, activated carbon filter. Emperor Aquatics 40W UV Sterilizer Current Tank Info: 180 gallon reed tank, coast to coast overflow, herbie overflow. Life reef sump and 36" life reef skimmer, GHL Doser 2, Neptune Apex reef controller, Auto topoff, Spectrapure RO system with a Tunze RO controller. activated carbon and no more GFO.

08/27/2015, 06:07 AM	#15
kevin_e Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,083	Call it what you want, but there is definite tissue loss. you can clearly see where the tissue ends and the skeleton is exposed. It could very well be from light shadowing, however, that coral is pretty small for that to be the likely cause. Exposed skeleton will turn brown or sometimes darker with a green hint very, very quickly after losing the tissue covering it. The lack of polyp extension is more troubling to me. It's definitely not happy.

08/27/2015, 06:54 AM	#16
nemodan Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Westford, MA Posts: 1,063	Definitely there is missing tissue. But as said, I have learned , on my corals, that in situations like those, to leave the coral alone and have an eye on it. If in 2-3 days it progress, then you have STN. If not, it will just stay like that. As said also, no polyp extension is an alarm sign. Does this Acro extend its polyps at night ? Take a look to it after 2 hours the lights went off. You have to see the polyps out looking for food. If they are not out...... then I see a problem.

08/27/2015, 06:59 AM	#17
Scubajoe1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 409	I will let you know if a couple months. I took it out and examined it with a magnifying glass. There is no exposed skeleton. I have seen what exposed coral skeleton looks like. I have seen this comment in many places when asked what is wrong because I don't see any poly extension. Nothing - Some SPS just don't have good polyp extension - FWIW, polyps extension isn't always a good determination of whether a coral is healthy or not. All parameters are good, all other corals are healthy and this one is still growing but like I said I will report back in a couple months. This is a pretty good sized acro about the size of my closed fist. It does not get any light on the underside except for a little reflected light. __________________ Scubajoe 180 Gallon reef tank with coast to coast Herbie overflow. 60 Gallon sump with 9" filter sock. 36" lifereef skimmer, activated carbon filter. Emperor Aquatics 40W UV Sterilizer Current Tank Info: 180 gallon reed tank, coast to coast overflow, herbie overflow. Life reef sump and 36" life reef skimmer, GHL Doser 2, Neptune Apex reef controller, Auto topoff, Spectrapure RO system with a Tunze RO controller. activated carbon and no more GFO.