Dinoflagellates. - Page 100

FullBoreReefer · 01/02/2016, 07:59 PM

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FullBoreReefer · 01/02/2016, 08:01 PM

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Dfee · 01/02/2016, 08:03 PM

Hair algae. Tangs and emerald crabs eat it. Congrats-not Dino's. ...lucky!!

FullBoreReefer · 01/02/2016, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dfee

Hair algae. Tangs and emerald crabs eat it. Congrats-not Dino's. ...lucky!!

I feel like an idiot, but thank you for the confirmation.

And sorry for the multiple posts, it was an accident but I couldn't delete...

Billybatz9 · 01/02/2016, 08:39 PM

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First off, new people in the thread-my experience isn't typical. I seem to have an especially bad infestation.

I have an all in one, so I don't have a true sump, just a couple of chambers behind the tank. I don't usually light it; I rigged a lamp for the tests. I would try UV but I can't for the life of me figure a way to rig a big enough unit in my aio. There's really no room back there.

Re lights out: Dinos can switch from photosynthesis to predatory behaviour. I either pushed them towards mixotrophy or killed off the non photosynthetic strains, due to extreme selection pressure of multiple lights out periods. I had 2 genera of dinos, the 2nd, some kind of Prorocentrum? hasn't shown up lately.

I agree about severe cases of dinos making the environment so hostile extreme measures are necessary. I did do one 90% water change with 'good' water. It caused a massive dino bloom. I added skimmate 3 times a week for a month.

The new rock was close to 50% of the total rock in the tank. Chaeto from various sources invariably dies off too, but that may be due to not being able to maintain phosphate. I was trying to inoculate microcritters.

I'm currently keeping nitrate at 15 (due to missing a decimal point, never try to calculate anything at 2am), phosphate still undetectable. Green algae is NOT coming back, pods are still absent despite adding multiple batches/species and I'm losing/lost all my Euphyllia. My montis are bleaching out and I didn't see my rock anemone today. I think I may be at a point where I'm going to have to nuke everything with Dino X and start over. I'd really rather not, but my corals are starting to be affected.

blarg!
ivy

Same boat. All my montis are bleaching. No idea why

karimwassef · 01/03/2016, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dfee

Hair algae. Tangs and emerald crabs eat it. Congrats-not Dino's. ...lucky!!

BUT! Depending on the method you use to remove the hair algae, you could join the dino club!

Just use a clean up crew, manage your phosphates and you should be ok. A GFO and an ATS should clean it up.

Billybatz9 · 01/03/2016, 04:54 PM

I'm about to give up. Holy crap.

Dfee · 01/03/2016, 05:07 PM

...Don't do it

Billybatz9 · 01/03/2016, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dfee

...Don't do it

I just went to see a buddy's tank and his tank is flawless and everything is beautiful with great growth. Then I come home to mine and am disgusted. Monti bleaching, brown algae on sps corals. Luckily, I don't have stringy algae, more like diatoms, but damn it's annoying!! I want to be able to enjoy the hobby and not have to research 24/7 on how to beat this algae.

Dfee · 01/03/2016, 07:56 PM

I wish there was a way for everyone to have individual threads about trying to fight Dino's, but all also under the main Dinoflagellates Thread. There's too many people and posts to go through.

You're not doing water changes, are you? What else have you tried?

taricha · 01/03/2016, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dfee

I wish there was a way for everyone to have individual threads about trying to fight Dino's, but all also under the main Dinoflagellates Thread. There's too many people and posts to go through.

You're not doing water changes, are you? What else have you tried?

This thread needs its own sticky too.
New people occasionally wander in and ask if anyone has tried x.
Spoiler alert: yes they have, and no it doesn't work.

karimwassef · 01/03/2016, 08:50 PM

well.. this is the 100th page. Probably time for a sticky.

Billybatz9 · 01/03/2016, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dfee

I wish there was a way for everyone to have individual threads about trying to fight Dino's, but all also under the main Dinoflagellates Thread. There's too many people and posts to go through.

You're not doing water changes, are you? What else have you tried?

No water changes
10um Filter sock
Taking sound out weekly and h202 soak, then add back when I take top layer out when the top layer gets covered in dinos again
h202 dosage 1ml per 10 gallons for 5 days.
3 day light outs
phyto dosing daily 30 ml
adding copepods
adding live bacteria from dr tims

soo much effort and money down drain

Dfee · 01/03/2016, 08:54 PM

What are your nitrates at?

karimwassef · 01/03/2016, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybatz9

No water changes
10um Filter sock
Taking sound out weekly and h202 soak, then add back when I take top layer out when the top layer gets covered in dinos again
h202 dosage 1ml per 10 gallons for 5 days.
3 day light outs
phyto dosing daily 30 ml
adding copepods
adding live bacteria from dr tims

soo much effort and money down drain

why no UV?
Are you feeding more heavily to excite algae growth?

PorkchopExpress · 01/03/2016, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybatz9

Same boat. All my montis are bleaching. No idea why

they are probably bleaching because your lighting is too high, you have too little NO3/PO4 and alk above 9, or a combination of those...what is your phosphate at? if you have dinos, then i'm assuming you are either NO3 or PO4 limited or both...what is your alk at? dinos do weird things with alk consumption and they seem to keep NO3/PO4 really low/unreadable, at least in my experience

the times i've had dino blooms my alk consumption drops drastically, my NO3 or PO4 or both become undetectable, and i start losing sps

Billybatz9 · 01/03/2016, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dfee

what are your nitrates at?

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Billybatz9 · 01/03/2016, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PorkchopExpress

they are probably bleaching because your lighting is too high, you have too little NO3/PO4 and alk above 9, or a combination of those...what is your phosphate at? if you have dinos, then i'm assuming you are either NO3 or PO4 limited or both...what is your alk at? dinos do weird things with alk consumption and they seem to keep NO3/PO4 really low/unreadable, at least in my experience

the times i've had dino blooms my alk consumption drops drastically, my NO3 or PO4 or both become undetectable, and i start losing sps

I dose calcium and alk every night. Alk is at 11. Could this be fueling them?

Billybatz9 · 01/03/2016, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by karimwassef

why no UV?
Are you feeding more heavily to excite algae growth?

I have SPS. I am not sure if algae growth will kill my sps corals especially with red slime building up.I had red slime building up a lot, used chemical clean, all gone, then dino explosion. About 4 weeks ago id say.

Dfee · 01/03/2016, 09:20 PM

You won't see Dino's reduce til those nitrates go up. Feed 6 times a day if you have to.

Alk shouldn't fuel Dino's. But like Porkchop said, you will have to dose less because corals will be consuming less because of the Dino presence.

karimwassef · 01/03/2016, 09:22 PM

I have SPS and I run UV nightly.

I also feed heavily and run a chaeto refugium and ATS. It's like kick starting the lifecycle.

Red Slime is a worry... it's my ongoing pain too, but it's not clear what causes it. Light, flow, nutrients, etc... I use high flow to keep it at bay, but it lingers in the corners.

ATS and GFO seems to be keeping it under control in the DT.

Billybatz9 · 01/03/2016, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by karimwassef

I have SPS and I run UV nightly.

I also feed heavily and run a chaeto refugium and ATS. It's like kick starting the lifecycle.

Red Slime is a worry... it's my ongoing pain too, but it's not clear what causes it. Light, flow, nutrients, etc... I use high flow to keep it at bay, but it lingers in the corners.

ATS and GFO seems to be keeping it under control in the DT.

What UV do you run? I have a biocube 29 so it's hard to run ats

Billybatz9 · 01/03/2016, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dfee

You won't see Dino's reduce til those nitrates go up. Feed 6 times a day if you have to.

Alk shouldn't fuel Dino's. But like Porkchop said, you will have to dose less because corals will be consuming less because of the Dino presence.

What nitrate target should I be aiming for?

karimwassef · 01/03/2016, 10:06 PM

I got a coral life turbo twist 12x because it's compact. It's 36W, so I have to pass the water very slowly (200gph) through it.

If I were to do it again, I'd go with a 110W with a much higher flow rate.

Dfee · 01/03/2016, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybatz9

What nitrate target should I be aiming for?

Anything really. It's going to be hard to do.

01/03/2016, 08:50 PM	#2487
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01/03/2016, 09:22 PM	#2496
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	I have SPS and I run UV nightly. I also feed heavily and run a chaeto refugium and ATS. It's like kick starting the lifecycle. Red Slime is a worry... it's my ongoing pain too, but it's not clear what causes it. Light, flow, nutrients, etc... I use high flow to keep it at bay, but it lingers in the corners. ATS and GFO seems to be keeping it under control in the DT. __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

01/03/2016, 10:06 PM	#2499
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	I got a coral life turbo twist 12x because it's compact. It's 36W, so I have to pass the water very slowly (200gph) through it. If I were to do it again, I'd go with a 110W with a much higher flow rate. __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

01/02/2016, 08:03 PM	#2478
Dfee Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Chicago Posts: 105	Hair algae. Tangs and emerald crabs eat it. Congrats-not Dino's. ...lucky!!

01/03/2016, 04:54 PM	#2482
Billybatz9 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 557	I'm about to give up. Holy crap.

01/03/2016, 05:07 PM	#2483
Dfee Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Chicago Posts: 105	...Don't do it

01/03/2016, 07:56 PM	#2485
Dfee Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Chicago Posts: 105	I wish there was a way for everyone to have individual threads about trying to fight Dino's, but all also under the main Dinoflagellates Thread. There's too many people and posts to go through. You're not doing water changes, are you? What else have you tried?

01/03/2016, 08:54 PM	#2489
Dfee Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Chicago Posts: 105	What are your nitrates at?

01/03/2016, 09:20 PM	#2495
Dfee Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Chicago Posts: 105	You won't see Dino's reduce til those nitrates go up. Feed 6 times a day if you have to. Alk shouldn't fuel Dino's. But like Porkchop said, you will have to dose less because corals will be consuming less because of the Dino presence.