Cycling tank question - Page 2

niladride · 09/16/2016, 03:12 AM

^

Well I will google for you.

I myself posted this thread some time back:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...8#post24422228

I have got another article:

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...trifying%20bac

Vadafallon · 09/16/2016, 05:42 AM

75 gallon with a 30 sump. Not sure how much I added. How much should I add? I guess more is better.

Waylah · 09/16/2016, 06:04 AM

"Nothing in this hobby happens fast"

Quote:

Originally Posted by homer1475

100% agree. That's why it's in my sig line.

The version I've heard is "Nothing good in this hobby happens fast."

Vadafallon · 09/16/2016, 07:21 AM

Tested this morning and have around 1ppm ammonia, zero nitrites. Need to test nitrates too but i doubt there are any. I will probably add a few bigger pieces of live rock from my other tank today to help with even more bacteria.

Vadafallon · 09/16/2016, 09:20 AM

Also would it help when i do a water change on my established tank to add the water from it to the cycling tank?

ssick92 · 09/16/2016, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by niladride

^

Well I will google for you.

I myself posted this thread some time back:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...8#post24422228

I have got another article:

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...trifying%20bac

Nothing in either of those links provided any evidence that the bacteria will survive up to a year. One of your "sources" was a comment from another user that can be paraphrased as "not sure, but I've heard up to a year." Your other source says up to 150 hours (~6 days) if kept in ideal conditions.

If it works for some, great, I am not saying that people shouldn't try it if they want to give it a shot, but I'm going to stick to the tried and true method of just adding live rock.

niladride · 09/16/2016, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssick92

Nothing in either of those links provided any evidence that the bacteria will survive up to a year. One of your "sources" was a comment from another user that can be paraphrased as "not sure, but I've heard up to a year." Your other source says up to 150 hours (~6 days) if kept in ideal conditions.

If it works for some, great, I am not saying that people shouldn't try it if they want to give it a shot, but I'm going to stick to the tried and true method of just adding live rock.

I am not sure where you got the number 150 but the second link clearly states that bacteria can live without ammonia for months. Have a look once more please.

There is a link in Dr Tim's site as well. I am searching it again.

Once, the proven method of calculation was using pen and paper, then calculator changed the whole scenario.

You have to admit that as days pass by, more and more artificial and beneficial methods will get introduced in the hobby, some good some bad. But you have to accept the good ones.

Lots of people are using marinepure blocks nowadays with good results. That's also a proven method nowadays.

Vadafallon · 09/16/2016, 01:01 PM

I am not using Marinepure because i read a lot of sources stating it leaching aluminum into the water. However i am using Seachem Matrix. I wish i could find something to tell me otherwise about the marine pure though because i would really like to run a block of it. Have any sources?

niladride · 09/16/2016, 01:09 PM

This forum itself has lot. Just search once.

Mr.Mulley54 · 09/17/2016, 06:57 AM

I went threw the same issue a couple months ago , i did fishless cycle with dry rock and dr. Tims. it did work in the long run but it took almost 5 weeks, not 5 day i have about 2 ppm ammonia and n nothing else for about 4 weeks and one day , bam! zero ammonia and nitrites started showing. be patient i promise Dr. tims will work it just takes time.

Vadafallon · 09/17/2016, 09:38 AM

Is it possible for me to not even have a cycle? I moved live rock and cured dry rock, dry sand into the tank. Added ammonia and it's coming down but no nitrites or nitrates are showing. I added a few hermits and anything living on the live rock is still kicking.

jonnyu · 09/17/2016, 04:57 PM

I have looked into many of the above products under microscope. Most products state they live without food or refrigerated which is true but not 100% bacteria survive the dormant stage. Turbo start fritz comes refrigerated and you can actually see the bacteria moving. If you want more info on test let me know.

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Mr.Mulley54 · 09/17/2016, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vadafallon

Is it possible for me to not even have a cycle? I moved live rock and cured dry rock, dry sand into the tank. Added ammonia and it's coming down but no nitrites or nitrates are showing. I added a few hermits and anything living on the live rock is still kicking.

I guess it's possible if the live rock you added was very established what was your ratio of dry vs live? But I think you should see at least nitrates then if ammonia is dropping and your live rock is good you should see some movement in your tests I'd give it some more time tho. In a finished cycle ammonia should be gone within 24 hrs if your still getting any ammonia ur cycle is not compete

CStrickland · 09/17/2016, 07:34 PM

I agree that it would be unusual to see zero nitrates. But, it's not uncommon for user error to cause a false negative, there are lots of threads where people weren't following the directions and thought everything was fine until it wasn't. Especially with the API test, it's accurate enough of you do it properly but it's a huge pain in the bum to sit there and shake it forever. Might not be a bad idea to bring a water sample down to your local shop for confirmation. Even if you're doing it right, it could be a bad test or something.

Or you got lucky

it is possible that your careful transport preserved the bugs and they are already hard at work. If so I hope your luck continues! Still, go slow at first - better safe than sorry.

As far as the bottled bacteria goes, the debates are endless, circular, and prone to derailing threads. There are true believers on both sides, and better places than this new to the hobby part of the forum to argue the merits of either.

Vadafallon · 09/18/2016, 02:47 PM

I dont see Nitrites or Nitrates after 7 days. I would have thought i would at least see a little nitrate since i moved live rock with sponges and there would be some die off. Also i would think i would see nitrite since my rock is wayyyyy seasoned and should be knocking out some Ammonia. Maybe this API test kit is wack. What test kit do you recommend?

09/16/2016, 03:12 AM	#26
niladride Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Kolkata, India Posts: 567	^ Well I will google for you. I myself posted this thread some time back: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...8#post24422228 I have got another article: http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...trifying%20bac Last edited by niladride; 09/16/2016 at 03:35 AM.

09/16/2016, 05:42 AM	#27
Vadafallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 974	75 gallon with a 30 sump. Not sure how much I added. How much should I add? I guess more is better. Last edited by Vadafallon; 09/16/2016 at 06:32 AM.

09/17/2016, 07:34 PM	#39
CStrickland Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New England, U.S. Posts: 4,595	I agree that it would be unusual to see zero nitrates. But, it's not uncommon for user error to cause a false negative, there are lots of threads where people weren't following the directions and thought everything was fine until it wasn't. Especially with the API test, it's accurate enough of you do it properly but it's a huge pain in the bum to sit there and shake it forever. Might not be a bad idea to bring a water sample down to your local shop for confirmation. Even if you're doing it right, it could be a bad test or something. Or you got lucky it is possible that your careful transport preserved the bugs and they are already hard at work. If so I hope your luck continues! Still, go slow at first - better safe than sorry. As far as the bottled bacteria goes, the debates are endless, circular, and prone to derailing threads. There are true believers on both sides, and better places than this new to the hobby part of the forum to argue the merits of either. __________________ If you're havin tank problems I feel bad for you, son. I got 99 problems but a fish ain't one Current Tank Info: 3/2016 upgrade to 120g. Chalk bass, melanurus, firefish, starry blenny, canary blenny, lyretail anthias, engineer gobys, kole tang. Softies / LPS / NPS. <3 noob4life <3

09/16/2016, 07:21 AM	#29
Vadafallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 974	Tested this morning and have around 1ppm ammonia, zero nitrites. Need to test nitrates too but i doubt there are any. I will probably add a few bigger pieces of live rock from my other tank today to help with even more bacteria.

09/16/2016, 09:20 AM	#30
Vadafallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 974	Also would it help when i do a water change on my established tank to add the water from it to the cycling tank?

09/16/2016, 01:01 PM	#33
Vadafallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 974	I am not using Marinepure because i read a lot of sources stating it leaching aluminum into the water. However i am using Seachem Matrix. I wish i could find something to tell me otherwise about the marine pure though because i would really like to run a block of it. Have any sources?

09/16/2016, 01:09 PM	#34
niladride Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Kolkata, India Posts: 567	This forum itself has lot. Just search once.

09/17/2016, 06:57 AM	#35
Mr.Mulley54 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: gloucester, ma Posts: 135	I went threw the same issue a couple months ago , i did fishless cycle with dry rock and dr. Tims. it did work in the long run but it took almost 5 weeks, not 5 day i have about 2 ppm ammonia and n nothing else for about 4 weeks and one day , bam! zero ammonia and nitrites started showing. be patient i promise Dr. tims will work it just takes time.

09/17/2016, 09:38 AM	#36
Vadafallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 974	Is it possible for me to not even have a cycle? I moved live rock and cured dry rock, dry sand into the tank. Added ammonia and it's coming down but no nitrites or nitrates are showing. I added a few hermits and anything living on the live rock is still kicking.

09/17/2016, 04:57 PM	#37
jonnyu Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,038	I have looked into many of the above products under microscope. Most products state they live without food or refrigerated which is true but not 100% bacteria survive the dormant stage. Turbo start fritz comes refrigerated and you can actually see the bacteria moving. If you want more info on test let me know. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09/18/2016, 02:47 PM	#40
Vadafallon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 974	I dont see Nitrites or Nitrates after 7 days. I would have thought i would at least see a little nitrate since i moved live rock with sponges and there would be some die off. Also i would think i would see nitrite since my rock is wayyyyy seasoned and should be knocking out some Ammonia. Maybe this API test kit is wack. What test kit do you recommend?