I took the plunge! New BK Supermarine 250 - Page 4

Proline · 02/15/2008, 02:12 PM

Thanks Jim & everyone else for your understanding & vote of confidence
Hawks ,please contact your dealer for support or contact us via email directly ,what else will also help would be specs of your system including the equipment you use & bioload .
Also picture of the sump will be great as well .
Is one thing copy & pasting the specs of the skimmer from his computer to here & another to help troubleshoot.
Never the less We are here for you.
Regards
Chris
Proline

Paulairduck · 02/15/2008, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Proline
Thanks Jim & everyone else for your understanding & vote of confidence
Hawks ,please contact your dealer for support or contact us via email directly ,what else will also help would be specs of your system including the equipment you use & bioload .
Also picture of the sump will be great as well .
Is one thing copy & pasting the specs of the skimmer from his computer to here & another to help troubleshoot.
Never the less We are here for you.
Regards
Chris
Proline

That is what you want to hear from your favorite BK supplier !!!

kenettson1 · 02/15/2008, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tbone28
kenettson1, which Red Dragon pump did your skimmer come with?

RD 2000

tbone28 · 02/15/2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenettson1
RD 2000

Nice! Is it adjustable?

kenettson1 · 02/15/2008, 09:10 PM

Manual

This is something that helped me.

It is adjustable via a air/water mix adjustment valve on the inlet of the skimmer. There are corresponding dots that when alighned represent the recommended air/water mix. I have it set at that recommendation.

tbone28 · 02/16/2008, 12:22 AM

Kennettson1 - I don't see a drain pipe in your pics. Where does the water drain from?

kenettson1 · 02/16/2008, 09:52 PM

There is a standpipe on this skimmer. Water exits the skimmer through that.

gcarroll · 02/17/2008, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gcarroll
Klaus,
What I am referring to is the rating for the Bubble King DeLuxe 300 Internal is rated for 793 US gallons and the Bubble King Supermarin 250 Internal is rated for 793 US gallons. I am not looking to get an external skimmer so both of these skimmers are in-sump models.

How does the Bubble King Supermarin 250 Internal get the same rating as the Bubble King DeLuxe 300 Internal. Is the unique design of the Supermarin more efficient than the DeLuxe? Is that why the smaller 250 mm Supermarin has the same rating as the DeLuxe 300?

Regards

Anyone listening?

tbone28 · 02/17/2008, 01:15 AM

gcarroll, I, too, am waiting for this answer. I am looking seriously at purchasing a BK skimmer, either the SM or Deluxe, but would like hear some replies to your question first.

Pump specs:

SM250: pulls 2L/H air and ~1068 GPH water
Deluxe 300: pulls 2L/H air and 792 GPH water

Do you think this is why they're rated similar? The SM is shorter, but has the conical interior. Perhaps this compensates for the shorter height.

Klaus replied earlier saying the Deluxe produces a better, darker skimmate and has more adjustments, but I'd like to know what mechanisms allow the Deluxe to produce this darker skimmate.

tbone28 · 02/17/2008, 03:00 AM

Kenettson1:

Has your skimmate gotten any darker since you posted your 1st Nog pic?

Klaus:

Is the Supermarine able to skim as dark as the Deluxe?

kenettson1 · 02/17/2008, 10:14 AM

My skimmate has remained relatively dark. Rmember when looking at skimmate pics from BK users that the cup is white. It makes a big difference considering most other cups are black or dark grey. My skimmate has been just as gross smelling as my deltec and with a similar consistancy - visually speaking.

There was a pic on a thread that I saw where a guy poured his BK nog into an H&S cup and it looked a lot darker - just because the cup was grey.

tbone28 · 02/17/2008, 11:38 AM

Thanks for the update. I was curious if your skimmate got any darker because I've seen pics of skimmate from the BK Deluxe that look almost pitch black. Those have the white collection cups as well.

tbone28 · 02/17/2008, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tbone28
Thanks for the update. I was curious if your skimmate got any darker because I've seen pics of skimmate from the BK Deluxe that look almost pitch black. Those have the white collection cups as well.

Hey Kennettson1, here are some pics of some Deluxe owner's skimmate. These were taken off RE's website. I'm wondering if you're able to skim this dark. Thanks!

kenettson1 · 02/17/2008, 06:31 PM

it just depends how I skim. Its also still pretty early to really start evaluating long term performance.

tbone28 · 02/17/2008, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenettson1
it just depends how I skim. Its also still pretty early to really start evaluating long term performance.

That's true. You're not even 2 weeks in right? It's looking good so far. It should only get darker. Do you normally skim wet or dry?

I'm close to pulling the trigger on the SM250, but still wondering if I should go for the Deluxe.

Paulairduck · 02/17/2008, 10:06 PM

There is always some mystery when you think about spending 2K on a skimmer, I am still waiting for someone to prove these BK's are worth the money???

THE ABOVE PICS ARE NICE.

kenettson1 · 02/17/2008, 11:01 PM

Well, the answer to that question is completely subjective.

What you do get with a BK are most of the things you look for in a skimmer wrapped into one.
1. Skimming Performance
2. Low energy draw
3. Very low if any noise
4. High air/water flow through per amount of energy used
5. Quality Build - very detail oriented

Some skimmers offer one, two or three of those atributes, higher end skimmers including the BK account for all or most of these factors and more.

If you are just looking for something that skims regardless of other factors, there are other less expensive options. I'm not a skimmer guru so this is all just my opinion.

I've been around long enough on these boards to know that when it comes to skimmers - EVERYONE has an opinion.

@ tbone - skimming very dry but adjust a little wetter to see what I get tonight.

tbone28 · 02/17/2008, 11:25 PM

Paul, I have to agree with Kennettson on "what you get for 2K". It is very subjective, similar to buying a car - Honda vs. Mercedes for example. It's all about what appeals to the individual buyer.

Those pics are very nice, aren't they?

There are more pics on Royal Exclusiv's website in their discussion forum. I only pulled a few of them.

Kennettson: I like your list of BK features. Those are the very things I'm looking for. Please share with us how things turn out skimming a bit wetter.

BTW, thanks for sharing your experiences with this new skimmer! It's been very informative for everyone, I'm sure

tbone28 · 02/18/2008, 12:34 AM

Kennettson1, got another question for ya

Can the skimmer be taken apart (beyong removing the collection cup) for cleaning?

paulthomas · 02/18/2008, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenettson1
RD 2000

I'm thinking about getting the Supermarin too. But I'm curious. I saw that on one site, the skimmer is rated at 45W. Yet the RD 2000 is rated at 58W? Anyone know why? And where did you guys, who have the SM, get yours?

Hey T, my son was born yesterday at 1:43 p.m. Sorry for the drift guys. Carry on.

tbone28 · 02/18/2008, 01:11 AM

Too Fly, Congrats!

I think right now Premium Aquatics and Aquarium Specialty sell them. Proline is the US distributor. I hope you can get some sleep at night so you don't look like

in the morning

I wonder if there are any other SM250 owners out there to share their experiences. Too Fly, have you considered the BK Deluxe line?

kenettson1 · 02/18/2008, 01:24 AM

congrats toofly!

I couldnt find any first hand experiences with the sm250. That's why I started this thread.

paulthomas · 02/18/2008, 01:25 AM

Thanks man. It's been a great day! Dog tired and a little scary, but great by the end.

Too late, my eyes are buggin' outta my head as I type. ******* (speaking to self

), I should really be gettting some sleep right now.

Yeah, the 250 Deluxe Internal might be the way to go if there are any doubts on the SM. I mean, what's another 150 bucks when you're already spending $1700?

I saw Reefkeeper2's 300 Deluxe Internal and that is one b@da$$ skimmer.

BTW... anyone know if it's true that the Red Dragon pumps come with a lifetime warranty?

paulthomas · 02/18/2008, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenettson1
congrats toofly!

I couldnt find any first hand experiences with the sm250. That's why I started this thread.

Thank you sir.

tbone28 · 02/18/2008, 01:32 AM

Where'd you hear that the pumps come with lifetime warranty? That'd be sweet cuz replacing that pump on a BK skimmer will be half the skimmer cost itself!

I really wanted a Deluxe 300 Int, but no room for that. Right now, I'm looking at the SM250, Deluxe 200 Int, and Deluxe 250 Int on the BK line. Also looking at ATB medium.

02/15/2008, 09:10 PM	#80
kenettson1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 356	Manual This is something that helped me. It is adjustable via a air/water mix adjustment valve on the inlet of the skimmer. There are corresponding dots that when alighned represent the recommended air/water mix. I have it set at that recommendation. __________________ GO COLTS!! Current Tank Info: 225 Gallon (5x3x2) Used to have SPS - Bubbleking Supermarine 250 Skimmer - H&S 200CR-F3000 CaRx - 2 x Tunze 6200's on MultiController - 2 x 400 XM 20k - ACIII Pro

02/16/2008, 09:52 PM	#82
kenettson1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 356	There is a standpipe on this skimmer. Water exits the skimmer through that. __________________ GO COLTS!! Current Tank Info: 225 Gallon (5x3x2) Used to have SPS - Bubbleking Supermarine 250 Skimmer - H&S 200CR-F3000 CaRx - 2 x Tunze 6200's on MultiController - 2 x 400 XM 20k - ACIII Pro

02/17/2008, 10:14 AM	#86
kenettson1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 356	My skimmate has remained relatively dark. Rmember when looking at skimmate pics from BK users that the cup is white. It makes a big difference considering most other cups are black or dark grey. My skimmate has been just as gross smelling as my deltec and with a similar consistancy - visually speaking. There was a pic on a thread that I saw where a guy poured his BK nog into an H&S cup and it looked a lot darker - just because the cup was grey. __________________ GO COLTS!! Current Tank Info: 225 Gallon (5x3x2) Used to have SPS - Bubbleking Supermarine 250 Skimmer - H&S 200CR-F3000 CaRx - 2 x Tunze 6200's on MultiController - 2 x 400 XM 20k - ACIII Pro

02/17/2008, 06:31 PM	#89
kenettson1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 356	it just depends how I skim. Its also still pretty early to really start evaluating long term performance. __________________ GO COLTS!! Current Tank Info: 225 Gallon (5x3x2) Used to have SPS - Bubbleking Supermarine 250 Skimmer - H&S 200CR-F3000 CaRx - 2 x Tunze 6200's on MultiController - 2 x 400 XM 20k - ACIII Pro

02/17/2008, 11:01 PM	#92
kenettson1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 356	Well, the answer to that question is completely subjective. What you do get with a BK are most of the things you look for in a skimmer wrapped into one. 1. Skimming Performance 2. Low energy draw 3. Very low if any noise 4. High air/water flow through per amount of energy used 5. Quality Build - very detail oriented Some skimmers offer one, two or three of those atributes, higher end skimmers including the BK account for all or most of these factors and more. If you are just looking for something that skims regardless of other factors, there are other less expensive options. I'm not a skimmer guru so this is all just my opinion. I've been around long enough on these boards to know that when it comes to skimmers - EVERYONE has an opinion. @ tbone - skimming very dry but adjust a little wetter to see what I get tonight. __________________ GO COLTS!! Current Tank Info: 225 Gallon (5x3x2) Used to have SPS - Bubbleking Supermarine 250 Skimmer - H&S 200CR-F3000 CaRx - 2 x Tunze 6200's on MultiController - 2 x 400 XM 20k - ACIII Pro

02/15/2008, 02:12 PM	#76
Proline Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 272	Thanks Jim & everyone else for your understanding & vote of confidence Hawks ,please contact your dealer for support or contact us via email directly ,what else will also help would be specs of your system including the equipment you use & bioload . Also picture of the sump will be great as well . Is one thing copy & pasting the specs of the skimmer from his computer to here & another to help troubleshoot. Never the less We are here for you. Regards Chris Proline

02/16/2008, 12:22 AM	#81
tbone28 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,503	Kennettson1 - I don't see a drain pipe in your pics. Where does the water drain from?

02/17/2008, 01:15 AM	#84
tbone28 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,503	gcarroll, I, too, am waiting for this answer. I am looking seriously at purchasing a BK skimmer, either the SM or Deluxe, but would like hear some replies to your question first. Pump specs: SM250: pulls 2L/H air and ~1068 GPH water Deluxe 300: pulls 2L/H air and 792 GPH water Do you think this is why they're rated similar? The SM is shorter, but has the conical interior. Perhaps this compensates for the shorter height. Klaus replied earlier saying the Deluxe produces a better, darker skimmate and has more adjustments, but I'd like to know what mechanisms allow the Deluxe to produce this darker skimmate.

02/17/2008, 03:00 AM	#85
tbone28 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,503	Kenettson1: Has your skimmate gotten any darker since you posted your 1st Nog pic? Klaus: Is the Supermarine able to skim as dark as the Deluxe?

02/17/2008, 11:38 AM	#87
tbone28 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,503	Thanks for the update. I was curious if your skimmate got any darker because I've seen pics of skimmate from the BK Deluxe that look almost pitch black. Those have the white collection cups as well.

02/17/2008, 10:06 PM	#91
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	There is always some mystery when you think about spending 2K on a skimmer, I am still waiting for someone to prove these BK's are worth the money??? THE ABOVE PICS ARE NICE.

02/17/2008, 11:25 PM	#93
tbone28 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,503	Paul, I have to agree with Kennettson on "what you get for 2K". It is very subjective, similar to buying a car - Honda vs. Mercedes for example. It's all about what appeals to the individual buyer. Those pics are very nice, aren't they? There are more pics on Royal Exclusiv's website in their discussion forum. I only pulled a few of them. Kennettson: I like your list of BK features. Those are the very things I'm looking for. Please share with us how things turn out skimming a bit wetter. BTW, thanks for sharing your experiences with this new skimmer! It's been very informative for everyone, I'm sure Last edited by tbone28; 02/17/2008 at 11:38 PM.

02/18/2008, 12:34 AM	#94
tbone28 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,503	Kennettson1, got another question for ya Can the skimmer be taken apart (beyong removing the collection cup) for cleaning?

02/18/2008, 01:11 AM	#96
tbone28 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,503	Too Fly, Congrats! I think right now Premium Aquatics and Aquarium Specialty sell them. Proline is the US distributor. I hope you can get some sleep at night so you don't look like in the morning I wonder if there are any other SM250 owners out there to share their experiences. Too Fly, have you considered the BK Deluxe line?

02/18/2008, 01:24 AM	#97
kenettson1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 356	congrats toofly! I couldnt find any first hand experiences with the sm250. That's why I started this thread. __________________ GO COLTS!! Current Tank Info: 225 Gallon (5x3x2) Used to have SPS - Bubbleking Supermarine 250 Skimmer - H&S 200CR-F3000 CaRx - 2 x Tunze 6200's on MultiController - 2 x 400 XM 20k - ACIII Pro

02/18/2008, 01:25 AM	#98
paulthomas Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 875	Thanks man. It's been a great day! Dog tired and a little scary, but great by the end. Too late, my eyes are buggin' outta my head as I type. ******* (speaking to self ), I should really be gettting some sleep right now. Yeah, the 250 Deluxe Internal might be the way to go if there are any doubts on the SM. I mean, what's another 150 bucks when you're already spending $1700? I saw Reefkeeper2's 300 Deluxe Internal and that is one b@da$$ skimmer. BTW... anyone know if it's true that the Red Dragon pumps come with a lifetime warranty?

02/18/2008, 01:32 AM	#100
tbone28 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,503	Where'd you hear that the pumps come with lifetime warranty? That'd be sweet cuz replacing that pump on a BK skimmer will be half the skimmer cost itself! I really wanted a Deluxe 300 Int, but no room for that. Right now, I'm looking at the SM250, Deluxe 200 Int, and Deluxe 250 Int on the BK line. Also looking at ATB medium.